Cheers Lukey. Didnt fancy digging in the dark mainly because im still pretty new to this, it was a new spot we only found yesterday. The ground i have permission on is a commercial shoot, however this part is were the rough shooting is taken care off mainly for the beaters and helpers on the shoot. They just throw some feeders out and if there are birds there then thats good, if not then no bother. Also over the last 2 seasons since we have been getting some work for her my brother has got bitten by ther terrier work bug, to the pioint he has even gotten himself a terrier now, so leaving one a