i had a pair when i ,first left home a deer/grey and a beddy/grey . the dh/gh best dog ive ever owned, she taught me..? the beddy x ,hard mouthed stubourn ,wouldnt let go of anything ,hated small dogs..the list could go on ... its a gamble if you get them young enough ,maybe ? they were 5 & 6 at the time and died of old age . personally i would get a pup as you know what your getting and putting into it, its hard to unravel other peoples mistakes .? good dogs are hard to find..