its getting hard to get good working deerhound stock.. theres not much choice in the uk , i bought mine from alan charles here in ireland , he regulary works them to r/h/f , working stock is getting harder to source, and i find matings where the greyhound to the deerhound bitch tends to keep the size down a bit ,instead of some of the large plodding specimins you see.. but theres a few good ones over here in ireland