Neil, i had to laugh when you were telling me about taskers (sorry) because i live just around the corner from there, but thanks for the info. I watch river piker, but scouse angler is not my cup of tea (watched a few) i enjoy river piker's vids, i have 65lb power pro on the heavier lure reel and 30lb on the lighter one, but i have never used heavy traces, 40lb afw surfstrand is the heaviest that i have used, i think that's what i need to learn because i like the idea of the harness, so i will have to try bending some wire and have a go at making them, thanks.