"Sometimes you can get away with it", your words mate so I'll ask you the same as I asked others,- have you or do you know of anyone who has carried out any experiments regarding breeding, leaving in season and using a blank hob or the jill jab? I would be interested to hear of the results? If you don't know of any how can you write the above? Not having a go just wondering how you came to your conclusions. From what i have seen breeding is the best option with regards to health. . .. . but obviously thats a thing you should be doing rarely, so the second best option is a vac hob. Thanks for