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John Gaunt. Died in 1924 age 73. Worked on the railways as a rat catcher and used foxes amoungst his terriers to catch the rats with. http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;DCAV001501&pos=14&action=zoom&id=1500 TC There's some great shots there , what you seeing is still instinctive fox behaviour, there is no drive involved, it's not doing anything a fox in the wild can't do only difference is it's raised by man, I had a ferret once could catch mice with me but both fox and ferret will never be able to go beyond wit
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Yes but we are not talking about today's modern breeds that have their drive harnessed and put to use for specific purposes, we are talking about wolves and the ancestors of the modern dog.. You say that a sheepdog doesn't wan to eat a sheep, but the drive that humans have harnessed in that bred originated as a biological need for the wolf ancestors of that sheepdog to eat and therefore survive. Thing you have to remember when talking about behavioural psychology is that it's all about a theory that fits the facts and there are many theories out there, none can be proved to be the conclusive a
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The working together to achieve a goal is exactly what I'm talking about , the same thing as you and your dog ,if you could give your dog a choice between going out with you or a pot of food which would it choice? food of course may be the end result but the same as an ancient breed like the saluki becoming social thru the hunt, I believe it's the physical act of the hunt that made a difference , it's no wonder that the hundreds of breeds around today have hound as a surname , it's the working in tandem with man to overcome resistance in the form of a prey animal that truly copper sealed
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Yes but we are not talking about today's modern breeds that have their drive harnessed and put to use for specific purposes, we are talking about wolves and the ancestors of the modern dog.. You say that a sheepdog doesn't wan to eat a sheep, but the drive that humans have harnessed in that bred originated as a biological need for the wolf ancestors of that sheepdog to eat and therefore survive. Thing you have to remember when talking about behavioural psychology is that it's all about a theory that fits the facts and there are many theories out there, none can be proved to be the conclusive a
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There is a difference between prey instinct and drive. , a protection doesn't want to eat the sleeve , a collie doesn't want to eat the sheep , and the terrier the fox,, the bomb detection dog has no intention of eating the bomb but he too is in drive ,
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Food is the over riding factor behind the hunting instinct though, so it would have come down to it no matter which way you look at it, be it helping in the hunt or scavenging around the camp.. Wild animals don't hunt for the sport.. Other animals have been known to aid humans in the hunt as well, dolphins helping fishermen, killer whales helping whalers etc. No matter which was you look at it they don't do it out of the goodness of their hearts, they do it because of the promise of a full belly.. It's not the overriding factor behind prey drive though
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Since so many breeds originated around the hunt in whatever form that take (elkhound, fox terrier, deer hound etc) and it's not all that long ago that most dogs kept were actually used for a purpose based around instinctive canine including wolf behavior , I find it hard to fathom that it was food alone that domesticated the wolf The major difference between the fox and the wolf is that the wolf is a pack animal, where other members of its community are essential to fulfilling its prey instincts through the hunt , whereas the fox in this case would never become a common pack member for an
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A lot of the answers on this thread are focused on movement (ball,dummy) which may be well intentioned are not I feel in the best interest of some pups One of the first lessons should be some form of impulse control where a pup has to listen to a command , do an action and then get the reward Food is a good one to start with for one it doesn't make a pup hyper sensitive to movement which is only making a rod for your own back because a pup super stimulated in this way is like putting the cart before the horse because your going to have to reel him in to put commands in front of what
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Will Keeping A Dog Indoors Effect Its Working Ability??
Casso replied to rhysy28's topic in Lurchers & Running Dogs
I'm with Bird on this one, a pup in the house becomes over stimulated by family life kids ,movements ,things etc it's also programmed to investigate the world round it orally , all these canine instincts bring the pup into conflict with us Whereas a pup kept outdoors can be kept calm , we don't have to be the bad guy for constantly confronting the pup for just doing what pups do, Keeping a pup outside can be a huge positive by the time training starts because every interaction has been good one If you get to a stage with a pup where it is responsible enough to control it's own acti -
Whippets and sensitivity go hand in hand , they were bred to be sensitive to elements in their environment and that would also include us , As said before you may not have ever laid a hand on him , but as a whippet(soft tempered) he will be drawn to avoidance whereas something like a bulldog (hard tempered)will be drawn to confrontation , one is an imploder the other is exploder , If he panics when you shout , it's usually a good indication of fear,
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The refusal of the pup to come into your space with the dummy and dropping the ball short indicate that his mindset is changing when nearing contact with you , it's a zone the pup is uncomfortable with , it's going from drive to fear,a dog can only reference one feeling at a time, Dogs switch polarities to fit with us and other dogs it's how the pack works , every dog makes itself social to fit it's how Mother Nature evolved to accommodate large groups of predators in the wild , meaning they can't all act predator like or dominant some must act submissive or prey like, what's happening wi
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The saluki are a primitive breed of dog which on the whole means they become social thru the hunt, Not thru fussing petting or thru learning commands or given treats The main problem today is the rush to training and teach manners to a pup straight out of the crib, as if the pup will become anti social if we don't put it in its place because what it does is brings us into conflict with an animal in the saluki with no genetic software to respond until a group hunting bond is formed A saluki makes itself social thru hunting with its owner not before, lads try hammering in training and
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Agree with Dave 100% , also I'm not fond of adding another distraction to the dogs mind which will happen after it's served a few bitches, if you work the dog with a group of other hunters with their dogs there's almost always a bitch coming in or just gone out of heat and the dog can become a real pain in the ass , I like a dog to be as focused as he can during his working life
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The trouble with dogs like anything else is the owners Ego and how he thinks he's perceived by others whether the mutt is shit hot or not Years ago you could just go out with a few mates with their dogs and have the craic, it was more about the company than the catch rate
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If she is tuning you out in his environment I would have issues with that If she is wary of him and not expressing herself that would strike me as her acting on her instincts , fear based , a dog in that frame of mind is completely untrainable she is also picking up on your discomfort in the situation You can't train a dog unless the dog is relaxed and feels safe anything else and you'll only end up pulling your hair out Best of luck
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If you could keep in mind the incidents where he does act up and play round there is usually some sort of a build up of excitement or tension that you could put your finger on, different stimulation , fitness levels , a certain environment can cause a physical memory to occur , could be any number of things , a tired dog becomes a poor retriever same as a fresh pup out for the first time in a while, age as been mentioned can figure too, Don't know how you are with the retrieve but I like pups to be familiar with game as the novelty factor gradually wears off as the pup matures , just don
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Years ago gun dog trainers would never have attempted to train pups until after a certain age because of the very same reasons you have now discovered, A pups first year is split by two very distinct mind sets 1 is food driven and the other is prey driven, prey driven been the later of the two , A dog must have a reason for a certain command, an experience dog knows that the stop is not really a stop it's only a negetive that will lead to the positive , the positive that will lead to the dog working again in tandem with you , that's what the dog wants more than anything and he will k
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Yeah your right in your assessment of genetically programmed dogs to do what nature intended for them and highly driven dogs do not make good family pets in the main The problem with raising pups from driven parents of whatever breeding is that they are encoded with an intensitity that can't normally be replicated in the family home, what I mean by that is if the genetic energy when the dog is stimulated is say 50.000 volts which would be equal to the sight of another dog for a seasoned pit , he needs to discharge all of that energy something which would be possible if he could roll for
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Your right probably a bad example of overcoming instincts , your nearer to the mark with redirected, what I was trying to do was give an example of the social ability in canines overriding instinctive behaviour , terriers can live in the home with pet badgers , cat killing dogs can live in the home with cats, and bull dogs can turn their hand to other driven pursuits , I know that a sticky one with you but dogs are so so adaptable,
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Drive in dogs is like a magnetic connection to a certain object , it's a pull energising the dog towards its target , it's not a mental process , in most cases the dog is genetically preprogrammed to act on certain stimulation , running dog to movement of rabbit , sheepdog to movement of animals but it's not fixed and social ability can overcome instinct, shepherds fitted into protection work , labs make good service dogs The strength and duration of sustaining that connection under duress comes from the heart , it is still all the same drive to make contact in whatever form it takes , fig
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Where is game ness from then , can you just create it??
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The problem with what your implying about game ness not been natural is that at some stage on varies continents throughout history varies people bred from 2 curs and produced game offspring ,?? if Gameness is not in the natural world how the hell did they manage to get game pups from common curs??
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Game ness is a man made promotion of temperament or heart in other words, So by elevating one we cause decline in another. His attraction to the other dog is electromagnetic , he is attracted with more energy than his body can socially deal with just like a little pup when it starts attacking and biting , pulling on its owners clothes or hands , it's all an energetic attraction grounded orally, there is no good or bad , it's all an instinctive release of energy An experienced fighting dog rolled often has made many associations , he associates the other dog as his releaser of tensio
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And got the scars to prove it !.............The term " theres no bad dogs just bad owners "......has to be the most stupidly naive phrase anyone could ever of come up with !.......Anything born of nature has the ability to be born good......or bad...........physical or mental. Not sure what ya mean there, what we say about dogs we must also say about all animals , can we say than that animals are either good or bad ??and where does instinct come into in ?? People,animals......nature throws up wronguns always has done always will..........this belief that theres no bad dogs is completely insan
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And got the scars to prove it !.............The term " theres no bad dogs just bad owners "......has to be the most stupidly naive phrase anyone could ever of come up with !.......Anything born of nature has the ability to be born good......or bad...........physical or mental. Not sure what ya mean there, what we say about dogs we must also say about all animals , can we say than that animals are either good or bad ??and where does instinct come into in ?? People,animals......nature throws up wronguns always has done always will..........this belief that theres no bad dogs is completely insan
