gnasher16
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No prob mate again its all in the past for me so nothing really to hide...not for me to talk about folk still involved in dogs of course but it was certainly an addictive sport.....folk would deal with shock in different ways with different drugs but the basics were to get the dog stable so his organs dont start shutting down and get fluids into him asap... it would be hypovolemic shock as opposed to trauma shock so the dog will have lost salts/potassium etc through dehydration and more often than not the venous blood volume drops/blood pressure and it becomes a race against time as quite ofte
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arrrr mystery solved....and Sweep was from Two Toes thats right. I can barely remember my own name most days but a 30 year old dog pedigree no problem at all ?
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If thats a true story then its beautiful in its own way.
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Money will always play its part and only an idiot would pretend deaths didnt and dont happen in the sport but the vast majority of dogs who take their death do so because of bad medical care afterwards....so many dogs have been lost by people who learned everything about breeding and conditioning but never learned fully how to doctor a dog afterwards....obviously shock kills more fighting dogs than anything else and you'd be amazed how many people who match dogs dont know how to deal with it. But at a guess you'd probably estimate under 20% of dogs are lost directly.
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Too many Chuckies !....ridiculous f****n name anyway ?
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Not entirely true mate but close enough......it was actually called a " Scratch in turn " contest......so as soon as a dog turned its head and shoulders away,the opponents handler would call a " turn " on the dog and it would be that dog to scratch ( scratch meaning to cross the pit and at least mouth the other dog in order to show willingness to continue )......it then became a " scratch in turn " contest but you could only pick a dog up when out of holds a lot of it would become very tactical a good handler would choose his moments carefully and a really good handler like the gent mentioned
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Like most things mate theres a lot more involved than first impressions show you.....good on you for looking into it a little bit instead of taking the usual News of the World horror show attitude.
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I know mate yes i just meant it was something in the leg as opposed to the hip.
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He was never matched at his true weight either simply because im not sure they could put him through a proper keep due to his injury so he was always going uphill.....incredible really.
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My memory is normally pretty good for peds but cant quite remember now wasnt he a Two Toes dog or grandson of Two Toes....must admit i thought he was owned by Oddbod who was spoke about earlier in the thread but i could be wrong or he was sold on etc
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I think it was actually his stifle that was gone rather than his hip......slipping patella or something. Some dog though.... i never liked to admit it years ago as it was an England v Scotland thing but as you wise up through life you just have to hold your hands up sometimes.....he was a hell of a bulldog and produced the same fair play.
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So many dogs were ruined in those early days as youngsters we all just thought they was machines im sure you will have read bits about this young lad we was literally rolling him out every other weekend from the minute he was on at 10 months !....its hard to admit but he wasnt far off " abused "....people said he stopped in his 4th which he did but the dog was shot to pieces before he was even fully mature.....hard one to accept and you live and learn but i hope he's had a whale of a time up there in bulldog heaven.
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There was mate yes....as was another group in that area caught out in a similar way.
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Most proper shows would be near silent apart from referee and handlers it was never good etiquette to be jumping about shouting in the crowd.....not that it made any difference the dogs were too focused on what they were doing for it to make much difference in my opinion.....i remember hearing about one of the first big raids in a sports hall years ago rspca/plod busted in knocking doors down chasing everyone about,lads jumping out of windows etc the dogs never batted an eyelid and plod were infact criticised for " allowing " the dogs to carry on longer than necessary.
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Most people with multiple dogs will " pre keep " a dog for 1 month and " keep " the dog for 8 - 10 weeks.....if its an only dog they'll normally be at a much higher level of fitness to start with and 8 weeks from the off is usually fine. 3 wins for Championship.....5 wins with no losses for Gr Ch. Most dogs will be all used up after 3 mid - long matches dont forget they will have already had their schooling which all takes out of a dog....some of course are more resilient than others and go on to have 5 and 6 but the nervous system starts taking a pounding towards the end of a dogs
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Pretty much mate yes....no contact of course the way a fighter might spar up to a week before a fight dogs see no contact whatsoever....and yes the general concept is the same,steroids of course allow for shorter rest and higher output....a lot of people can send a dog in " fit "....but truly peaking a dog for that few hours takes more than that and is an art in my opinion.
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She turned it in a year later going for her Ch so you cant beat nature eh ?
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That was a few days out as i remember so not totally peaked out.....and only had 47 days work in her......conditioned entirely " over the phone " ?
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If you asked most who have put their money where their mouth is with these dogs they would say the same......peace of mind and all that.......it shouldnt matter but at the time....it does ?
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I remember putting some pictures on here years ago of a dog down in Cyprus off old dogs id had years prefiously he lived his life as pretty much a nomadic wanderer ?....he would spend weeks walking from village to village up around The Troodos mountains getting fed here and there coming into contact with various animals along the way he just had that aura of " i know who i am and ive nothing to prove ".....yet he was bred down off some of the most active bloodlines of the time.......the adaptability of these dogs really is amazing at times.
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Thats a Skipper bred dog if ever i saw one.....lovely pictures.
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You say that but plenty of winning match dogs were not overly aggressive even during battle....as though they just knew their way around and had the intelligence to not waste energy one of the biggest matches of the time in the 90's in Holland was won by such a bitch,it was like she was doing the " Ali rope a dope " thing and just let the other bitch tire before turning it on towards the end some of them really were that smart they didnt need aggression.
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Most pics of dogs that went through my hands mate ended up with the dead chap spoken about on this topic !....and it wouldnt be right to show other peoples dogs but this is a dog im fairly close to on the continent a few years ago just before her first time out.
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Yes heard a few chaps say the same....i think he used to go on a few of the forums years ago and held his own i think most peoples real anger at him and his mob was the total hypocrisy of an organisation coming along and taking dogs into " care " only for them to die in their care from neglect ! But yes i think he probably knew enough to have a decent understanding.....the Asian gent knew how the world works and just treated him how you would treat any " opponent "....no point spitting and shouting etc.
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I should read a lot more than i do but since these audio books have become a thing i give them the occasional whirl on a long drive i,ll try and get hold of that mate thankyou ?
