ianm
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Good going! I hate a miss, there has to be a full investigation for me straight away, ocd anyone? ?
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Well done!
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There are plenty of n/v devices supplied without i/r if you care to look. I don't know how to explain it to you any differently so that you understand. You are saying the same thing as i am that gen 3 doesn't need i/r because it intensifies any available light . Your Archer is gen 3 and you have already stated it works when others need i/r although you haven't said what you have compared it to. Either way i can't be bothered anymore.
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Where have i said n/v can see in complete darkness? What i am saying is proper gen 2+ and gen 3 DEDICATED do not need i/r to see a long way because they are very efficient at intensifying available light, ie starlight and moonlight. People use a little i/r at times to get eyeshine. Although i have a gen 2 tubed scope i wouldn't even consider using it these days, imho tubed gear has had it's day. It cannot be used in daylight or even twilight unlike the very best of the digital scopes which are far more versatile or even thermal scopes.
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I will absolutely guarantee you will not shoot a fox with a lamp up here after the daft cubs have been shot.
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I don't know what dedicated gen 2+ or gen 3 you have tried but what i do know is that the archer is the poorest of all. That is due to the old EEV tubes Starlight use in them. I have access to an Archer that has been retrofitted with a genuine mx101 american gen3 tube and it is still not as good as a pvs 14. Which in turn is not as good as a Cobra Centaur fitted with a gen 2+ photonis tube. If you own an archer that outperforms a dedicated gen 3 scope then keep it as it is the only one in the world.
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On the other hand if you run out of ammunition you can use it to hit a fox on the swede!?
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They weigh a ton!
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What's that saying again? Something about taking horses to water. ?
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I personally would go for one of the "Hornets" 17 or 22. Probably .17 if using factory ammunition. I definately wouldn't use a hmr on fox. As sd says wmr is another contender, but for me the Hornets will cover everything with ease.
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99% of the foxes i shoot are from a truck. When i used to lie in wait for them over bait and on foot i used to put a pigeon shooting net up in front of me. It is movement they see irrespective of whether you are on foot or vehicle based. If you are downwind of them and still you will get your chance.
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Not only see in the dark but their eyesight is six times better than ours.
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I am well aware of what the Archer is and it isn't a dedicated night vision scope as i was writing about. The Archer will need considerably more i/r than the dedicated scopes because it is an add on and before any light reaches it that light has to go through a myriad of scope lenses. Hence why the low ambient light performance of a dedicated gen 3 or gen 2+ is superior to a gen 3 add on.
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Led i/r is not dull red and the more powerful ones which are more like 810nm certainly aren't covert. What i am trying to say is if your fox is lamp shy it will "foxtrot oscar" as soon as it see's a led i/r. If you are dealing with lamp shy foxes a spotter equiped with a led i/r may well not give you the advantage you think it will. Been there done that!
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Not quite, i/r in the 850nm spectrum gives off a red glow and the more powerful led's give off even more of a glow. 940nm is invisible but the range is dramatically reduced, so much so that it renders it useless for your application. The most covert would be to use a modern 500mw laser i/r as the signature given off these is so slight a fox will not notice it. However you must think about what you are doing with one as they are very dangerous for the eyes. You must not look into one directly and take care you aren't shining it at something close quarters that will reflect the light back at you
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I have just field tested one in 243 for the gunshop owner i know. Viking arms the importer have had a lot of returns due to a misalignment of the barrel to action plus a few other problems. The one i tested apparently wouldn't group. I gave the barrel a thorough clean before i took it out. The first group of eight shots looked like i had used a shot gun. I let the barrel cool then shot another eight shot group which had tightened up significantly. I repeated the process and the next group was three quarters of an inch at one hundred and twenty yards. I also tried half a dozen of my homeloads
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You don't need i/r with proper dedicated gen3 or gen 2+.
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You will have heard it said a thousand times before but nowhere does it mean more than the world of night vision "you get what you pay for".
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I would like to add to that if i may. I would NEVER buy a 223 under any circumstances. I would only ever buy 22.250, 220 swift or 243 brand new and none of them would say Howa on it.
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Tikka for me all day long
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Well i will pitch in with my "ten penneth" for what it's worth. I tend to stay away from these calibre threads because it is all down to individual choice, where and what you are shooting and nine out of ten asking the questions have already decided what they want and are just looking for confirmation they have chosen wisely. I have found for foxing with n/v a very fast flat shooting calibre is a distinct advantage. I regularly have to shoot at extended ranges and not having to worry about drop is a must for me. Unless you know the ground really well judging distance at night is difficul
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Nice bit of kit there David, how are you liking the Tikka? Are you going to try some 55grn or 58grn in it?
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Fair enough,. i have to say i have a photo of every fox shot. They are all printed out and in albums of the type that has a fairly large margin at the side to enable you to write in it. All the details are written at the side of the photo such as where, when, rifle, scope, illuminater, sex etc. I started doing it a long time ago when i heard certain forces where trying to pry guns back from their owners under the guise of not enough use. I decided to compile evidence of use just in case. My area didn't use that tactic but the way i see it is they might in the future so i continue to fill alb
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Well at least you got one. Why didn't you go and pick it?
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Next time you go set up in a different place and don't use the same call. Oh! and don't miss it again.?
