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  1. Deker
    Thanks for that link Dekers, I had not seen it before and it is simple and revealing. I do get fed up with people slagging off the .17hmr and repeating the same old drivel about being blown around in the wind. Wind affects the .17hmr about half as much as either the .22LR or the .22WMR Take a look at the graph for Trajectory on that site comparing the three rounds - they say it is a 100 yard zero but clearly it is a 50 yard zero or is my brain fogging up? They do seem to have a typo on the "Range". They list Average as 100 when it is 50 and long as 200 when it is 100!
  2. Deker
    See what Mr Federal says..................... Tick the compare boxes of the HMR/WMR you want then hit the wind drift arrow. http://www.federalpremium.com/products/rimfire.aspx ...and see the WMR is worse in all cases!
  3. Deker
    My #16 refers, the Rem 597 is a semi auto and NEVER AVAILABLE IN THE UK in HMR, and apparently NONE have blown up, there is magazine damage on some. As I pointed out in #16 this morning!.
  4. Deker
    see below.
  5. Deker
    I think you should read my posts, #16 covers a bit, and does that photo look like a blown up rifle to you, I also draw your attention to his comments... "I and the rifle have suffered no damage". I also suggest you start another thread for HMR grief and feel free to show a blown up HMR!!
  6. Deker
    This goes back to an article in Shootinguk from 2007, direct from Hornady. It has also been reported on this and many other sites since... Bob Palmer at Hornady, in an e-mailed reply to George's (Shootinguk) enquiry about split HMR necks: CCI makes the cases for all the .17 HMR ammo and loads it for the different companies. When they make the cases they draw the case out to a .22mag case that has a straight wall. Then the priming compound is put in the rim of the case. The case is spun to put the primer evenly in the rim. After the priming is complete the case mouth is reduced to the .17
  7. Deker
    The reason the necks split is well documented and accepted by most manufacturers. as a pointer..... Hornady, in conjunction with Marlin and Sturm Rurger turned what was pretty much a wildcat into the HMR we know. With the .22 WMR as the parent case! Edit Perhaps an idea to start another thread if anyone wants to pursue this as this has little to do with the .17 Win Super Mag!
  8. Deker
    The HMR has issues and I don't see anyone arguing about that, but I think you are generalising and mixing up issues. If a cartridge has enough energy to split a case it will have enough energy to get the bullet out of the barrel. That is a squib load not a split case, commonly attributed to no propellant in the case! As regards "Blowing his rifle up", what does that mean and where is the picture?
  9. Deker
    Not a daft question and the answer may seem strange, NOTHING appears to happen when the case splits, shot fires seemingly normally and case ejects fine. This is not an issue to be taken lightly but if you clean/maintain your HMR properly the case split is VERY unlikely to cause any issue, the HMR runs around 245ft lb and is surrounded by metalwork thick enough to deal with centrefire pressure. Suggestions have been made about blown up HMR barrels, my response is simple, show me one! There have been issues with the HMR and Semi Autos in the US and as far as I'm aware there are serious
  10. Deker
    We seem to move on then! Do you have a WMR and a HMR? What experience have you had with them both on Fox, with what ammo at what distances in what situations? I have a lot of rimfires and centrefires and Shotguns and I do a lot of serious Fox control, there isn't "a" rifle, "more practical for serious Fox control" , every situation is different and I do my best to take out the rifle best suited for that situation. Fox and .22lr Fox and HMR Fox and WMR In these cases they were all stopped with the rifle "more practical for serious Fox control".
  11. Deker
    I have no idea of any .22lr, HMR or WMR figures over 200 yards and as you say they should be of no practical use to anyone, but out of interest what is your source of this information?
  12. Deker
    Please READ my post, you have confirmed that whichever way you want to look at it the WMR sheds energy FAR quicker than HMR. Did I say anything about which was the most powerful, (even though the HMR is often more powerful at distance), I SAID ...and retains its energy better! Your examples HMR 17g energy loss at 100yards 109ft lb, that is 245-136ft lb. Retained energy at 100 yards is 55.5% so energy loss is 44.5% HMR 20g energy loss at 100yards 113ft lb, that is 250-137ft lb. Retained energy at 100 yards is 54.2% so energy loss is 45.8% WMR 30g energy loss at 100yards 205ft lb, that i
  13. Deker
    Thank you for confirming what I said...... "....and some people are getting their wires crossed, the HMR is less effected in the wind than the WMR, and retains its energy better at looooonger range, look it up yourself!" Your examples above HMR 17g energy loss at 100yards 109ft lb HMR 20g energy loss at 100yards 113ft lb WMR 30g energy loss at 100yards 205ft lb WMR 40g energy loss at 100yards 162ft lb I'd say that shows very conclusively that the HMR retains its energy better! Edit, any time you want to show a blown up HMR barrel feel free and I will apologise, until then l
  14. Deker
    HMR has ongoing ammo issues, it is well known. I have no argument with this and evidence has been shown of mags blown out, as regards EXPLODED barrels, you are in the land of the fairies, show me one!
  15. Deker
    They have a place, as does the HMR etc etc...... I like mine, and as I always say, "it gives me a feeling of confidence", and the 30g V-Mag is excellent for my requirements! ...and some people are getting their wires crossed, the HMR is less effected in the wind than the WMR, and retains its energy better at looooonger range, look it up yourself! Deker your right all bar the energy bit. From Hornady Website, like I said, look it up yourselves! HMR17g V-Max Muzzle 245ft lb, 100 yards 136ft lb, 200yards 72ft lb Energy loss in 200 yards 173ft lb WMR30g V-Max, Muzzle 322ft
  16. Deker
    They have a place, as does the HMR etc etc...... I like mine, and as I always say, "it gives me a feeling of confidence", and the 30g V-Mag is excellent for my requirements! ...and some people are getting their wires crossed, the HMR is less effected in the wind than the WMR, and retains its energy better at looooonger range, look it up yourself!
  17. Deker
    I'm getting confused, what is your point? At this rate you seem to be suggesting he should chuck away his .22lr, Hornet, .222 and not even consider a HMR because there is less wind drift on his .243! A HMR is LESS effected by the wind than a .22lr OR a .22WMR, and a .308 is less effected by the wind than a Hornet, how far up the scale do you want to go? And what is fair about comparing a HMR to a Hornet or .222, or .243 or .308 or whatever, that it isn't fair comparing it to a .22lr? The HMR isn't BAD in a crosswind within its operating range, which is much further than a .22lr.
  18. Deker
    Your interpretation of spectacular is very different to mine! The HMR is LESS susceptible to the wind than the .22lr which apparently he uses and has not suggested he has any issue with the wind. So how would you describe wind drift in a .22lr? Taking wind into consideration is a fact of shooting, you have to learn what every calibre you use does.
  19. Deker
    EVERYTHING is put off by a bit of wind, reload the .222 or use a HMR, simple!
  20. Deker
    theres been a problem with cracks in the necks of hmr rounds since the day it was released Just a few of mine, happens regularly.
  21. Deker
    The HMR is a bastardised WMR with neck issues, thats the problem. The Win Mag is a Brand New Cartridge built from scratch is not the 17 win mag a 22 win mag necked down simular to the 17hmr being a necked down 22 wmr Am I missing something, what is the difference between a .22 Win Mag and a .22WMR? The .17 Win Super Mag is a bigger cartridge and my understanding is that it has been developed from scratch. Edit, for clarification I have just edited #6 to reflect .17 Win Super Mag!
  22. Deker
    You have a few centrefires and apparently your quarry sits just out of range of the .22, what .22 are you suggesting .22lr, .22WMR, .22 centrefire and do you have one? The .17 Hornet is a centrefire, and the HMR is a rimfire, IF your quarry sits JUST outside .22lr range as you say, then all you need is a HMR!
  23. Deker
    The HMR is a bastardised WMR with neck issues, thats the problem. The .17 Win Super Mag is a Brand New Cartridge built from scratch
  24. Deker
    You have done remarkably well, I can tell you the TRADE price with VAT is just OVER double what you paid. Someone has either made a mistake or it is the sale of the century!
  25. Deker
    The .17 Centrefires have never taken the market by storm and there is no reason to think/suggest this will either. No doubt the .17Hornet will float some peoples boat, and every calibre has a use (some a very narrow band of use), but look at what else is out there. What do you want it for, what does it excel at uniquely, what gap in the market does this fill, what quarry is screaming out for this, there is a argument to suggest it solves a problem that doesn't exist! Anyway, still only very low numbers of these available in the UK and therefore no real meaningful data/information to j
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