for the alaunt guys

[marky r 25]

if anyone wants to see what kind of speed it takes to catch a yote go on youtube theres a gut on there slips about 5 dogs(look like greyhounds) on a yote from a good few yards away buy the time they caught it there little dots in the snow lol. i love bull xs and got one myself but if i was hunting yotes id go for the tryd and tested stuff the stag like theses guys use and save messing bout trying to breed my own. you guys have got it good id lobve to see them dogs on yotes sounds great. seems like you have a lot about to kill that many as well in such short a time. do they come in to calling close enough for a good slip? be good on some big open fields in a legacy haha. drop some over this side of the water let erm breed then we can hunt them lol.

[whin 463]

scotsman [bANNED TEXT] dogs would kill acoyote if they are as mean as there size predicts ,and your white dog would be fast for some coyotes not the willy older ones are diffrent, stamina feet coat inbred abilities passed down well thats adiffrent thing mate ,some coyotes ive killed were shit young ones but the bigger williy coyotes were to crafty to get easy slips long distanse slips with nose and speed to get them , your dogs aint clood up that way , and not bred that way how long would they last sound and how long would they stay sound and determined to catch .america has pit bulls aplenty big dogs a plenty but they stick to what works but in sayin that i shown a few hunters over by diffrent tricks mate and conditioning for there dogs to run better , if you bred a good deerhound type maybe like dave platts type and a strong dog cross pit bull they would catch a coyote and kill it but why bother when they have dogs already bred for it ps some track greyhounds the bigger ones kill coyotes but dont stay sound mate , its abig country and big runs sometimes that sap adogs strenth when he connects, try and get a book called canine and coyotes good book it will enlighten you on them a bit , ive saw pitbul crosses all scarred to hell and out of action over there in rosewell with a real coyote man barb wire cat claw , cactus and rough ground mate , go there and find out yopull soon see what would happen

[Malt 379]

Hey scotsman load up you dogs and come on over I sure would like to see your shakers get shook now that would be funny.

 

Just a thought, if shaking was the most efficient way to kill another animal, how come you don't see big cats shaking away at the necks of wildebeest...?

i dont know about big cats but i watched a a couple of videos of yellow stone wolves killing coyotes it looked like a shake to me

I saw that too, but it looked more like being ripped to pieces than shaken to death! Also, I'd hedge a bet that those timber wolves are a damn site bigger than any bull x...

[whin 463]

there ranchers i know mate called the gallachers they kill a steer if he is not [bANNED TEXT] and leave him in a ditch for a week then run the hell out of the coyotes there best day was 14 coyotes ,ill say no more mate i hate giving to much informaition for eejits to google over cheers send aprivate tex i have bags loads of photos if you are ever up this way all the best of coyotes jacks the dreaded antelope as they are illegal cheers

[zap 4]

Hey scotsman load up you dogs and come on over I sure would like to see your shakers get shook now that would be funny.

 

Just a thought, if shaking was the most efficient way to kill another animal, how come you don't see big cats shaking away at the necks of wildebeest...?

i dont know about big cats but i watched a a couple of videos of yellow stone wolves killing coyotes it looked like a shake to me

:wacko: :wacko: :tongue4:

[Bolero 67]

On 06/04/2009 at 14:20, Dan Edwards said:

 

Thats funny cause most of the pits in this country cannot even kill a coyote properly and thats a fact. You can ask those who have tried it. Our stags kill way faster and much more effeciently than the bulldogs do.

100% correct my friend. Bulldogs are the only dog I ever owned and just like you said they would not be my choice of dog if I did what you do. A bulldog isn’t even close to fast enough and for most part won’t be killing fast enough or efficient enough to even consider using one from the job. Way to many of them want to fight a coyote like the do a dog and release there hold for a better one thinking the coyote is going to stand there and swap it out with them. 
 

the type of dogs you use is like you said the way to go. 

[Bolero 67]

On 06/04/2009 at 15:44, snoopdog said:

now iam not having a go because i know fook all about hunting wolves ....i do know that in the early 1900.s they used to fight domestic dog with wolves with some sucsess......maybe not a 175 lb wolf but with an average wolf .....which most are under 85lb....thick coats for sub zero conditions,......makes eM look VERY BIG......

Not many dog men are going to put there dog in the box with a pure wolf. For one someone actually having a pure wolf is highly unlikely. Part wolf part dog has been done but I’m talking maybe 2 or 3 times at most at least based on what I have been told by a couple old timers who were active from early 50’s to mid 70’s. They said because of the bulldog most likely being killed fairly quick and if not the wolf hybrid quit cold. So not really worth since of the high chance of death for the bulldog at the hand of a hard biting cur with a very big weight advantage. 

[Bolero 67]

On 06/04/2009 at 17:24, bud9 said:

this stag must be some machine of a dog tell me how your stag manages to get a coyote by the throat without geting bit and without shakeing it becouse surely when the coyote trys to bite the dog he shakes or does he just get bit and you said some grayhounds can do the job aswell come off it if a grayhound can do the job then surely most lurchers of any breed will do the job aswell

Could you explain to me how if the dog has the yote by the throat would the coyote in anyway be able to take a hold of the dog. I won’t say it impossible but as close to being impossible as can be

[Bolero 67]

On 07/04/2009 at 08:28, Dan Edwards said:

 

There are plenty of picks of him on here right now. He has one mark on his muzzle that you can see at certain angles, no others that are noticeable. The mark he has came from his own son on a coyote caught about a month ago that just wont heal cause he keeps knockin the scab off. His own son went to pin the head or get the throat just like his daddy and bit his daddy down through the muzzle. Uphilldoc owns a litter mate to this young dog actually and he is a straight head dog just like his sire. He had caught 8 out of the 9 last coyotes he has been "slipped" on. 6 out of the 8 that he took were single handed all by himself. He caught them all and flipped them over and took the throat immediately. The other day he made his first bobble since I had him and that was my fault. I ran him back to back on two yotes single handed and the second one damn near got away but he showed his true colors and finally got lucky and get him flipped and pinned. He actually got bit at the very end there which kind of pissed him off I guess cause then he pinned the yote after a little flip. You cannot see where he got bit though cause it was very minor. They are specialists, they dont fight shit, they just kill it. I didnt raise him, I got him from a friend that has caught over 200 coyotes with him and he aint even 3 yet. He is actually a big cry baby. If you scold him or grab him by the neck and say get over here, he whines like a little shool girl. I dont care though cause he does his job and thats killing coyotes.

And that right there is what I feel most don’t understand which is there are dogs Bred to kill and dogs bred to fight two very different jobs. Now the fighting dog that also has the instinct to kill is a dog man’s dream lol. I would think a dog who wants to fight would be mostly useless for what you do with your dogs

[terryd 8,045]

Think you might be talking to your self there mate old Dan's not been on for 2 years 

[Daniel cain 42,892]

Shame him and a few others don't post on here no morethey are men who have actually done abit and not gleaned their info from tinterweb

[Bolero 67]

4 minutes ago, terryd said:

Think you might be talking to your self there mate old Dan's not been on for 2 years 

Lol thanks. Appreciate the heads up

[Bolero 67]

On 01/10/2009 at 22:11, badger said:

I think the problem for most on here that don't understand coyotes is that they are small WOLVES, not big fox. They are such great quarry because they are as fast or faster than hares, and when caught they are punishing opponents. Like Dan has said over and over, as has many old coyote hunters that have caught more coyotes than me and Dan combined, the best coyote dogs pin them and kill them using their size and strength to subdue them. It sounds like most of the shakers on here are trying to think in terms of a pit dog besting an opponent or killing a cat. My Saker dog would pick foxes up and literaly give them a shake or two and they would be dead, many have seen it in person or on video. But on a coyotes he would use his size and power to push them down and squeeze the life out of them, he knew the difference and did what he was bred to do for the last hundred years. His father Jake did the same thing so quickly it was scary, that is why I bred to him.

Also, try to understand the mindset of most coyote hunters, this is varmint control, day after day during the fall and winter months. For a lot, it is about reducing pest numbers, not just "one dog one slip fairplay to all" attitude taken by most casual hunters (me included), they want dead coyotes on the truck, not dogs gametested over and over and over again. Many of the top men get . 100, 120 coyotes a season. You aren't going to do that using a few dogs singlehanded. In my youth, men like Bob Shifflet and Dee Brdar were my heroes. They were coyote spotters, outthinkers and killers. Dee had hunted wolves with these very same type of dogs and even he said it was only possible when brave dogs would throat or ear the wolf and the hunter would help finish. Good dogs could CONTROL a larger stronger animal much like the picture of these Bull x stags on a bigger, stronger hog.

(Please forgive me using my pic off my other thread, I'm just trying to illustrate a point)

Then you got the coy wolf on the east coast lots of them in the North East where I live not sure where else they are located. As far as the percentage of wolf in them it’s supposedly around 12- 15% or less atleast from the ones some researchers used to get the information. Usually rang from upper 30’s to low 60’s in weight the ones in the 60 lb range are few. I have only seen 2 in my life and would guess were  around 55 Lbs but that’s just a best guess nothing more. I will say that they were some really healthy strong looking animals  had a nice full coat and looked well fed 

[Bolero 67]

On 01/10/2009 at 22:11, badger said:

I think the problem for most on here that don't understand coyotes is that they are small WOLVES, not big fox. They are such great quarry because they are as fast or faster than hares, and when caught they are punishing opponents. Like Dan has said over and over, as has many old coyote hunters that have caught more coyotes than me and Dan combined, the best coyote dogs pin them and kill them using their size and strength to subdue them. It sounds like most of the shakers on here are trying to think in terms of a pit dog besting an opponent or killing a cat. My Saker dog would pick foxes up and literaly give them a shake or two and they would be dead, many have seen it in person or on video. But on a coyotes he would use his size and power to push them down and squeeze the life out of them, he knew the difference and did what he was bred to do for the last hundred years. His father Jake did the same thing so quickly it was scary, that is why I bred to him.

Also, try to understand the mindset of most coyote hunters, this is varmint control, day after day during the fall and winter months. For a lot, it is about reducing pest numbers, not just "one dog one slip fairplay to all" attitude taken by most casual hunters (me included), they want dead coyotes on the truck, not dogs gametested over and over and over again. Many of the top men get . 100, 120 coyotes a season. You aren't going to do that using a few dogs singlehanded. In my youth, men like Bob Shifflet and Dee Brdar were my heroes. They were coyote spotters, outthinkers and killers. Dee had hunted wolves with these very same type of dogs and even he said it was only possible when brave dogs would throat or ear the wolf and the hunter would help finish. Good dogs could CONTROL a larger stronger animal much like the picture of these Bull x stags on a bigger, stronger hog.

(Please forgive me using my pic off my other thread, I'm just trying to illustrate a point)

I would also say the the hardest biting bulldogs weren’t the shaking type either. The ones that could break a dog down in 30 minutes or less from my experience were the ones who put there whole body into the bite and the other dog looked as if it had suffered very little damage as far as being cut up or a lot of bleeding. Those were the type of dogs that anything they put there mouth on was completely useless from that point on a lot of internal damage with very little external damage 

[SheepChaser 8,082]

15 hours ago, Daniel cain said:

Shame him and a few others don't post on here no morethey are men who have actually done abit and not gleaned their info from tinterweb

Go and look through threads from ten years ago and it’s like a different world on here. Folk who actually have done a bunch of hunting, having interesting discussions, and arguments about dogs and hunting