Kc russells

[TonyT 1,722]

On 03/09/2025 at 17:45, Bosun11 said:

Eddie is almost idolised in the US, but not so much here. The bloke on FB by the name of Terrierman, can't gush enough about him.

I dug to a couple of his dogs in the 80's and they were decent enough. I last seen him at my only visit to Crufts about 17 years ago.

Back in the 80's a mate put a dog off Eddie over a working Border bitch and they also were good. Eddie seen a white bitch off this litter at a show and bought it off the lad, knowing how it was bred.  He then put one of his dogs over that and sold the lot as his line.

And though I'll bet those pups were no worse for that quarter Border blood, Eddie's far from the only terrier 'legend' to do such a thing... 

100%…… and sold alot of books

[eastcoast 4,636]

On 03/09/2025 at 20:59, fireman said:

EC didn't have a line of his own as such and was in fact banned from keeping dogs and it was his misses who bred the KC ones.His book with him stood holding two muddy russells ,they are or were East Essex bred by Donny C (rip)...Eddie just bred from what he had bought in or was gifted from others who had some good old lines of russells..

No good can ever come from a "type" becoming a "breed" when registered with the Kennel Club. Some gundog breeds, OK, but their jobs are not that demanding. I do not know of anyone winning money betting on a KC reg Greyhound. 

Digging dogs being all shapes and sizes? Shapes I would disagree with but conforming to Russell type with variation of size is OK. KC dogs must conform to the written breed standard, so only ideal showing size terriers should exist? Even the bitches would be too big in some places. 

Adding/buying terriers from another terrierman? It's called development. Not possible once the gene pool has been closed and the all important KC papers become sacred. We only have these types because of men working and developing them, they had no need to close the gene pool at any time, and breed "type" is in the eye, not a written standard.  

 

 

 

[TonyT 1,722]

15 hours ago, eastcoast said:

No good can ever come from a "type" becoming a "breed" when registered with the Kennel Club. Some gundog breeds, OK, but their jobs are not that demanding. I do not know of anyone winning money betting on a KC reg Greyhound. 

Digging dogs being all shapes and sizes? Shapes I would disagree with but conforming to Russell type with variation of size is OK. KC dogs must conform to the written breed standard, so only ideal showing size terriers should exist? Even the bitches would be too big in some places. 

Adding/buying terriers from another terrierman? It's called development. Not possible once the gene pool has been closed and the all important KC papers become sacred. We only have these types because of men working and developing them, they had no need to close the gene pool at any time, and breed "type" is in the eye, not a written standard.  

 

 

 

Agreed EC.

my point was he wasnt working the pretty ones , they came later. His hunt and digging dogs didnt conform to type

[gnipper 6,895]

On 03/09/2025 at 18:28, WataWalloper said:

Is that terrierman on fb a known face? He talks some shite, odd bit a decent info in his posts but fcuk me he bores me rotten haha 

Isn't it that pat burns who used to be on the forums rattling on about chest measurements all the time?

[WataWalloper 3,955]

8 minutes ago, gnipper said:

Isn't it that pat burns who used to be on the forums rattling on about chest measurements all the time?

That’s who I thought it was aswell, so might be on to summat, he bullshit is the same level ain’t it haha 

[eastcoast 4,636]

I have always found the KC Russell thing interesting simply because it happened in my lifetime. Lakelands, Seayhams, Borders and Fox terrier etc had long since been registered before my time. I remember the heated debates in letter sections of various sporting periodicals arguing the pros and cons. To my mind the terrier that they wanted to register and close the gene pool on was the same type of dog that was registered as a Fox Terrier early days, and that didn't pan too well in regard to preserving the "breed". Difficult not to be cynical in regard to the pro camp being motivated by £ signs. 

Getting down from my high horse, my next terriers will probably be KC stuff. My only current terrier has just turned 15 and obviously not done work of any description for many years. Even in his prime he was wasted on me. So no more proper terriers even if I could source one. No more dogs for me until I properly retire in a max of two years counting down from end of this year.

A whippet (ped or non-ped, happy with both), and two terriers for rabbiting and ratting. KC Parson, KC Jack Russell or KC Bedlington will do the job. Without the stress and without the guilt of a quality terrier being wasted. An added bonus, and this is were I've sold out, should a litter be taken then selling surplus pups for KC prices will come in handy in retirement. 

[gnipper 6,895]

Some of the kc russels I've seen are nice looking things that have a bit of a sporting lucas look about them.

[Blackmag 6,435]

On 04/09/2025 at 21:38, eastcoast said:

Some gundog breeds, OK, but their jobs are not that demanding.

Are you joking buddy 

[TonyT 1,722]

42 minutes ago, Blackmag said:

Are you joking buddy 

Dogs for jobs

dont think any slur intended.

keep spaniels myself but dont tip em in and break thro hrs later 

both work hard in their field

[Blackmag 6,435]

32 minutes ago, TonyT said:

Dogs for jobs

dont think any slur intended.

keep spaniels myself but dont tip em in and break thro hrs later 

both work hard in their field

I couldn't keep a spaniel myself tony to full on for me but i admire what a good one does my labs go in rivers full of hazards and waves crashing round them sat quiet and motionless in freezing conditions for hours like you say dogs for jobs

[tinytiger 875]

22 hours ago, gnipper said:

Some of the kc russels I've seen are nice looking things that have a bit of a sporting lucas look about them.

Those sporting lucas looking ones seem to have been brought  back from  Australia. 

[Bosun11 537]

On 05/09/2025 at 18:39, gnipper said:

Isn't it that pat burns who used to be on the forums rattling on about chest measurements all the time?

That's him Rob, he still can't help himself with the chest measurements, they come up on every other post, and go hand in hand with his Chapman worship.

[TonyT 1,722]

21 minutes ago, Bosun11 said:

That's him Rob, he still can't help himself with the chest measurements, they come up on every other post, and go hand in hand with his Chapman worship.

Never even thought about owt like that

them little narrow things wouldnt last round here

theyd be charged out everytime

like typey dogs but never owned one that would work

some do though obviously 

[steve66 3,817]

On 04/09/2025 at 20:05, TonyT said:

I tried to get a russell a few yr back.

tried all hunt terriermen I knew or mates of mates.

mainly down south because they ‘seemed’ more

popular. Couldnt buy one. Im a Yorkshireman btw.

ended up gifted a crossbred bitch which is family I have now.

hens teeth good russels. I know they exist but I wasnt worthy

ATB T

Arthur Nixon had some nice Russell's, also Chris Hickling that used to be on here 

 

 

[Aussie Whip 4,349]

I used to think they should have never registered Russells but over here the vast majority of Russells are pets/companion dogs and it may be a good thing that there are two types and that the working lines stay with hunters. Most people looking for a pet dog couldn't handle a working terrier, they would end up in the pound with people thinking they had behavioral problems.

Edited 21 hours ago by Aussie Whip