dai dogs 1,927 Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 Was it how they say it was or just another conspiracy theory Iv just listened to an old song of Sinead O Connors called Famine Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie, 2,682 Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 (edited) 36 minutes ago, dai dogs said: Was it how they say it was or just another conspiracy theory Iv just listened to an old song of Sinead O Connors called Famine Don't start the English men of on here,if they weren't taking all the resources an shipping them it might not of happened,but they left us way the should spud But they will deny it but its all recorded on the ships logs etc f**k predictive text lol Edited June 6 by Francie, 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tatsblisters 10,866 Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 I think a few of us wouldn't be on this site and born if not for the famine though i believe a lot would have come to this country in the industrial revolution tbh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 16,651 Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 The island it is silent now but the ghosts still haunt the waves and a torch lights up a famished land who fortune could not save 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,207 Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 (edited) 2 hours ago, dai dogs said: Was it how they say it was or just another conspiracy theory Iv just listened to an old song of Sinead O Connors called Famine A fascinating and multi faceted subject that I, as a guest, have taken a little bit of time to try and learn about. The potato famine was in fact a Europe wide event…..it effected many country’s in Europe. What was different was how it was dealt with in different country’s and Ireland unique context given its history upto that point. Its a massive and massively interesting subject, to absolutely not do the subject justice and put it in the most simplistic terms, there was plenty of food, record amounts of food but the government (because it was the government of all the British isles at the time) NOT the English as is a popular misnomer decided that the produce was more valuable than human life and shipped it all away. There was also a darker sub-plot for the more rural areas (like the west of ireland) in as much as they wanted to get rid of that population who were living very much an almost medieval life and so be able to industrialise (agriculturally) bigger areas of the land….basically it was cheaper and more advantageous to let them die. That explanations doesn’t do all the various parts justice at all as it was in reality, like most things, a perfect storm of circumstances that started way back when one of the Kings of ireland first invited the Norman French Kings of England over to help him get his kingdom back and the details of the deal he did for their help. Feudalism sets the scene, circumstances do the rest. A subject well worth study and not just for its own sake. Edited June 6 by WILF 7 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 10,217 Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 And for those who say there was fish in the seas around ireland, that doesnt count as there was no spuds to make chips to go with it 1 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,207 Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 Just now, Lenmcharristar said: And for those who say there was fish in the seas around ireland, that doesnt count as there was no spuds to make chips to go with it In the word of Alan Partridge: ”If they could afford to emigrate they could afford to eat at a modest restaurant and you will pay the price for being a fussy eater” A joke before anyone go's mental but a perfectly English joke…..written by the son of Irish immigrants ! 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 28,136 Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 3 hours ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: The island it is silent now but the ghosts still haunt the waves and a torch lights up a famished land who fortune could not save Shane knew how to write a lyric 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waltjnr 7,716 Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 3 hours ago, WILF said: A fascinating and multi faceted subject that I, as a guest, have taken a little bit of time to try and learn about. The potato famine was in fact a Europe wide event…..it effected many country’s in Europe. What was different was how it was dealt with in different country’s and Ireland unique context given its history upto that point. Its a massive and massively interesting subject, to absolutely not do the subject justice and put it in the most simplistic terms, there was plenty of food, record amounts of food but the government (because it was the government of all the British isles at the time) NOT the English as is a popular misnomer decided that the produce was more valuable than human life and shipped it all away. There was also a darker sub-plot for the more rural areas (like the west of ireland) in as much as they wanted to get rid of that population who were living very much an almost medieval life and so be able to industrialise (agriculturally) bigger areas of the land….basically it was cheaper and more advantageous to let them die. That explanations doesn’t do all the various parts justice at all as it was in reality, like most things, a perfect storm of circumstances that started way back when one of the Kings of ireland first invited the Norman French Kings of England over to help him get his kingdom back and the details of the deal he did for their help. Feudalism sets the scene, circumstances do the rest. A subject well worth study and not just for its own sake. Unlike you to have 8 paragraphs in reply ! Fuk me it's a good job you live in middle of nowhere, neighbour from hell !!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai dogs 1,927 Posted June 6 Author Report Share Posted June 6 I worked with a lovely Irish guy 40 year old ish he was so bitter regarding the subject in question maybe it was pumped into him from a young age Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,207 Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 1 hour ago, waltjnr said: Unlike you to have 8 paragraphs in reply ! Fuk me it's a good job you live in middle of nowhere, neighbour from hell !!! Sorry mate, sometimes I forget my audience ! lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TOMO 28,077 Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 36 minutes ago, dai dogs said: I worked with a lovely Irish guy 40 year old ish he was so bitter regarding the subject in question maybe it was pumped into him from a young age I think stuff like that is odd...I mean yes be proud of your heretige...and ancestors...and of course learn the history however bad... But how the hell is he affected by it....just like black people asking for reparations...or going on about the slave trade 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotty12 3,421 Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 1 minute ago, TOMO said: I think stuff like that is odd...I mean yes be proud of your heretige...and ancestors...and of course learn the history however bad... But how the hell is he affected by it....just like black people asking for reparations...or going on about the slave trade Same as you would be or your kids after the next 10 years if the Muslims got their way. same as people from loads of other countries around the world that hate the British establishment. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 49,207 Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 (edited) 8 minutes ago, TOMO said: I think stuff like that is odd...I mean yes be proud of your heretige...and ancestors...and of course learn the history however bad... But how the hell is he affected by it....just like black people asking for reparations...or going on about the slave trade Mate, it’s a national pastime…..there’s a whole museum near me devoted to it, there’s walks you can follow that trace the routes peasants took to the docks and so to the coffin ships, like a hundred mile pathways…..in a way I quiet like it that they are so connected to their history. Have a look for the big graveyard, I think it’s cork way, there’s like a whole town buried in a massive pit in the middle of this ordinary local graveyard…..I’ll try and find what it’s called. When you learn about it all you understand why it’s a big deal. Edited June 6 by WILF 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TOMO 28,077 Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 14 minutes ago, scotty12 said: Same as you would be or your kids after the next 10 years if the Muslims got their way. same as people from loads of other countries around the world that hate the British establishment. Yeh exactly...if it was now you would be f****d off...not something 200 year ago Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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