Leatherface 172 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 Just now, mC HULL said: lol It was mate and all the Tories can do is blame their failings on migrants, it's a vote ploy pure and simple. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 23,835 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, Leatherface said: Not necessarily, they could prefer to come here because of family ties, language connections, etc. That's not to say some won't try it on. But if our asylum processing is on point then they shouldn't be granted asylum. The asylum system is irreparably broken, unfixable, with a huge backlog. 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leatherface 172 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 Just now, mackem said: The asylum system is irreparably broken, unfixable, with a huge backlog. Exactly my point! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, Leatherface said: Not necessarily, they could prefer to come here because of family ties, language connections, etc. That's not to say some won't try it on. But if our asylum processing is on point then they shouldn't be granted asylum. Once someone enters a safe country and applies for asylum then there status changes from seeking asylum to being a refugee, The rules for refugees entering the UK are different to asylum seekers, Hence the reason they chuck all there refugee status paperwork into the channel during the crossing on dinghies, Just on another point, Africans are flooding into the UK on work Visas in the care industry , Some of these people have allegedly paid 20k for the package they are provided with, How many Africans have £20k? or is it human trafficking for profit? A loads of visas have even been issued for jobs in care homes that did not even exist. Examine the figures on legal immigration. Break them down and again its one great big racket. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leatherface 172 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, paulus said: Once someone enters a safe country and applies for asylum then there status changes from seeking asylum to being a refugee, The rules for refugees entering the UK are different to asylum seekers, Hence the reason they chuck all there refugee status paperwork into the channel during the crossing on dinghies, Just on another point, Africans are flooding into the UK on work Visas in the care industry , Some of these people have allegedly paid 20k for the package they are provided with, How many Africans have £20k? or is it human trafficking for profit? A loads of visas have even been issued for jobs in care homes that did not even exist. Examine the figures on legal immigration. Break them down and again its one great big racket. No, they only become refugees once their asylum application is accepted. If you come with no papers and don't making a convincing plea then your application will be/should be rejected. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, Leatherface said: No, they only become refugees once their asylum application is accepted. If you come with no papers and don't making a convincing plea then your application will be/should be rejected. There's the crux, without the Rwanda solution the governments hands are tied due to, 1951 Refugee Convention does not require a person to claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. People trying to cross the Channel can legitimately claim asylum in the UK if they reach it. This is now not fit for purpose and is just being abused. The UK Government’s position is that refugees should claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. The UN Refugee Agency says this is not required by the Refugee Convention or international law. People who have passed through a safe country can nevertheless be denied access to the UK asylum system. The law allows the Home Secretary to declare an asylum claim inadmissible if the person “has a connection to a safe third State”. An inadmissible claim cannot be processed unless there are exceptional circumstances or removal from the UK would take too long. When the UK was in the European Union, some people in this position could be sent back to an EU country that they had passed through. Those ‘Dublin’ arrangements lapsed after Brexit. The Government now wants to send people who have passed through one safe third country (typically in the EU) to a different safe third country, Rwanda. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leatherface 172 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 (edited) 4 minutes ago, paulus said: There's the crux, without the Rwanda solution the governments hands are tied due to, 1951 Refugee Convention does not require a person to claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. People trying to cross the Channel can legitimately claim asylum in the UK if they reach it. This is now not fit for purpose and is just being abused. The UK Government’s position is that refugees should claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. The UN Refugee Agency says this is not required by the Refugee Convention or international law. People who have passed through a safe country can nevertheless be denied access to the UK asylum system. The law allows the Home Secretary to declare an asylum claim inadmissible if the person “has a connection to a safe third State”. An inadmissible claim cannot be processed unless there are exceptional circumstances or removal from the UK would take too long. When the UK was in the European Union, some people in this position could be sent back to an EU country that they had passed through. Those ‘Dublin’ arrangements lapsed after Brexit. The Government now wants to send people who have passed through one safe third country (typically in the EU) to a different safe third country, Rwanda. The Dublin Agreement is lost, Brexit saw to that! Regarding safe havens, we don't get close to the number of asylum seekers as France, it's a myth that they all want to come here, just check the stats. We fell for the smokescreen, all it did was reduce legal migration, it was all a lie about taking control of our borders and stopping the invasion. Edited March 3 by Leatherface Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 4 minutes ago, Leatherface said: The Dublin Agreement is lost, Brexit saw to that! We fell for the smokescreen, all it did was reduce legal migration, it was all a lie about taking control of our borders and stopping the invasion. Lie or not, The people spoke and that decision should be respected, without that there is no democracy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chaff 3,414 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 10 minutes ago, paulus said: There's the crux, without the Rwanda solution the governments hands are tied due to, 1951 Refugee Convention does not require a person to claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. People trying to cross the Channel can legitimately claim asylum in the UK if they reach it. This is now not fit for purpose and is just being abused. The UK Government’s position is that refugees should claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. The UN Refugee Agency says this is not required by the Refugee Convention or international law. People who have passed through a safe country can nevertheless be denied access to the UK asylum system. The law allows the Home Secretary to declare an asylum claim inadmissible if the person “has a connection to a safe third State”. An inadmissible claim cannot be processed unless there are exceptional circumstances or removal from the UK would take too long. When the UK was in the European Union, some people in this position could be sent back to an EU country that they had passed through. Those ‘Dublin’ arrangements lapsed after Brexit. The Government now wants to send people who have passed through one safe third country (typically in the EU) to a different safe third country, Rwanda. Sneaky c#nuts all by design paulus. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 20,894 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 I personally have sat and watched failed immigrants appear in court for offences such as driving, to money laundering to stalking and sexual assault. These were people who failed the asylum process and up to 3 appeals years ago. The oldest one failed their 3rd appeal in 2015. Yet they were still here committing crimes. The court had no powers to detain them at all, they were marked for deportation and were sat waiting. The conservatives have failed. I don't think one single person thinks labour will keep any more out or up deportations. Forget sinking boats and expecting any 'extreme' solutions. Just removing those we all agree should just remove isn't happening and isn't going to happen. One day extreme things will come of this situation. And either 'they' or 'us' will be the victims of what's surely going to happen. Arguing about the definitions of refugee or asylum seeker or saying we should sink boats is just so far removed from what's happening it's laughable 3 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel cain 42,901 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, king said: You are a very strange lad greb..from reading your ramblings the last few posts on this thread and previous posts..I'm pretty sure you are good mates with the Muslims or even immigrants..the reason being you seem a very big supporter of them and even seem to be fighting there cause..now I'm sure you are a white British lad from a mining community area.. it's weird how you are supporting such people...you are either winding people up on here or you are a genuine supporter of them... Either way it's a very sad state of affairs lad.. Am I right in thinking,hes in a long-term relationship with a Eastern European bird??? Would explain alot of his ramblings....she obviously wears the trousers,sends him out to work shifts and weekends on the railway,wont let him have a working dog... probably has Ukrainian and Palestine flags drapped in every window ...he would be happy meeting and greeting them all,as they come a shore mate 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chaff 3,414 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 Any politician or high ranking civil cervant should only get this position provided they have done ten years minimum on civi street be it from a ground worker to self-made clever f#cker lol. Career politicians can only have an agenda either their own or someone else's but unless you have experienced the real world. How the f**k can they qualify for such a position in this country. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marvel 459 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 On 01/03/2024 at 11:35, Lenmcharristar said: Not true british though, you cant be true patriot and pick him, as he will flood the place with gimmiegrants, although to give him credit, he punches the establishment on the nose any chance he gets, hes another corbynite He hates Britain Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leatherface 172 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Daniel cain said: Am I right in thinking,hes in a long-term relationship with a Eastern European bird??? Would explain alot of his ramblings....she obviously wears the trousers,sends him out to work shifts and weekends on the railway,wont let him have a working dog... probably has Ukrainian and Palestine flags drapped in every window ...he would be happy meeting and greeting them all,as they come a shore mate Yes you are right you scrawny rat, I've got two kids with her, and what? I work on the railway as I have always done all my life, I work to survive and pay a mortgage, we can't all rely on council houses like yourself. As for your other drivel, talk about telling me you don't have a clue without telling me you don't have a clue. Stay off the glue boy. Edited March 3 by Leatherface 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mC HULL 10,440 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 12 minutes ago, Leatherface said: Yes you are right you scrawny rat, I've got two kids with her, and what? lol how much was right lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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