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[mackay 3,591]

1 hour ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

Restore aren't a political party in the sense of the word and Advance UK have less than 30,000 members so wont even apply to get on the electoral commission. I honestly struggle debating this because I would love a more far right party but I just cant see it happening yet and all they are doing is splitting the vote and keeping the uni party in power.

IMO your last sentence is kind of contradictory, you want to vote for something you believe in but accept it may not lead to what you actually want? Id say thats kind of my argument for voting Reform at this time. 

Spot on.  After all the chances and second and third and so on chances tories and labour have had after all the sleaze and fcuk ups, lies and deceit it amazes me how anyone won't afford reform one crack at it.

[TRUEBRIT66 2,086]

1 hour ago, jeemes said:

Advance are gaining very quickly and 4 years is a very long time in politics.

It certainly is, but Advance aren't even a political party yet they are a limited company with aspirations to become a political party if they can get 30,000 members paying £30 a pop!

I'm not doing it down just saying at this time I don't believe they are the right option.

For the first time in my voting life time we have a viable alternative to uni-party politics, I would prefer a far right party but a vote for any one of the others mentioned is just splitting the vote. I'm going over old ground so will leave it there.   

 

[Bangersanmash 5,152]

 

[greg64 3,040]

great talk from David Starkey a man who realy knows our history

 

Edited Wednesday at 16:32 by greg64

[.357shooter 1,366]

Just hope all these treacherous politicians get what they deserve when everything implodes.as for reform they will do nothing just like all the rest 

[mushroom 14,063]

At least, if the Germans won, the worst would be we speak German now FFS 

I'll happily fight and then hang these traitors in Downing and Whitehall! Draw and quarter the cnuts.

Blighty!

[Borr 7,809]

41 minutes ago, mushroom said:

At least, if the Germans won, the worst would be we speak German now FFS 

I'll happily fight and then hang these traitors in Downing and Whitehall! Draw and quarter the cnuts.

Blighty!

Unless they continued to experiment on children, and execute disabled kids etc . But I agree, they'd certainly have sorted a few issues regarding certain elements of society.... And das ist gut

[gnasher16 31,420]

On 13/08/2025 at 10:08, TRUEBRIT66 said:

Restore aren't a political party in the sense of the word and Advance UK have less than 30,000 members so wont even apply to get on the electoral commission. I honestly struggle debating this because I would love a more far right party but I just cant see it happening yet and all they are doing is splitting the vote and keeping the uni party in power.

IMO your last sentence is kind of contradictory, you want to vote for something you believe in but accept it may not lead to what you actually want? Id say thats kind of my argument for voting Reform at this time. 

Its only " splitting the vote " if theres something to be split.....if Reform are no different to the Uni party which with the way they are now veering to the left they are not,then what is there to split ?....and being realistic after the damage Starmer has done theres no chance of Labour getting back in anyway.

Lets be honest Reform have backtracked to a place where very few people would have been attracted to them at all had they come out with all this a year ago....again,its not a football team you support through thick or thin why would you continue to be behind a political party that doesnt stand for what you believe in ?....if deep down you are a far righter then what are you doing standing behind a party that are centre left,or at best centre ?

A combination of Restore who are there to be in parliament holding the government accountable on issues and policies that we the public actually vote for and believe in.....and Advance who will without a shadow of a doubt soon have 30k members.....with 4 years to come together as one which they no doubt will i honestly dont know what genuine right leaning people are waiting for....unless of course like i say you see it like a football club you have to be loyal to.

What is contradictory about saying theres a party that stands for 7 of the 10 issues important to me and then theres a party that stands for 2 of the 10 issues that are important to me.....im choosing the one that stands for 7 ?....yes id like there to be a party with all 10 issues that are important to me but such a party doesnt exist........its not contradictory its basic common sense.

Edited 11 hours ago by gnasher16

[gnasher16 31,420]

On 13/08/2025 at 11:46, TRUEBRIT66 said:

It certainly is, but Advance aren't even a political party yet they are a limited company with aspirations to become a political party if they can get 30,000 members paying £30 a pop!

I'm not doing it down just saying at this time I don't believe they are the right option.

For the first time in my voting life time we have a viable alternative to uni-party politics, I would prefer a far right party but a vote for any one of the others mentioned is just splitting the vote. I'm going over old ground so will leave it there.   

 

If you would prefer a far right party then the simple logic is to get behind the party that is furthest right....no ?

I cant see whats so complicated about it an election is 4 years away its a long time in politics.....look how much Reform has changed in 1 year.

[Borr 7,809]

4 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

If you would prefer a far right party then the simple logic is to get behind the party that is furthest right....no ?

I cant see whats so complicated about it an election is 4 years away its a long time in politics.....look how much Reform has changed in 1 year.

I don't think there's any hope outside of reform for the next decade. Unless there's a full scale civil war. Half the population walks around staring into a phone , half the population want to be back in the EU and welcoming illegals over, so if we can pull off a decent reform win I'd take that, hopefully for whatever reason there is an election called before then.....

[Bendigo 795]

Protest outside Britannia hotel in Stockport tomorrow 5.30pm if anyone can make it.

I'm hoping to but our gamekeeper is away at a wedding so I've got to do the birds tomorrow so see how we go

[WILF 49,897]

4 hours ago, Borr said:

I don't think there's any hope outside of reform for the next decade. Unless there's a full scale civil war. Half the population walks around staring into a phone , half the population want to be back in the EU and welcoming illegals over, so if we can pull off a decent reform win I'd take that, hopefully for whatever reason there is an election called before then.....

I have to admit mate, I’ve almost completely changed my mind over the last year about Reform…..keep seeing the same people that got us here join week after week has done me.

These ex Tory’s are traitors and scum just like their Labour counterparts…..f**k em.

Granted I still think they have a value in showing the hard of thinking that the two party system can be broken but I’m afraid people who are actually paying attention will, as Gnasher has in fairness to him consistently said, see that they are no change at all really…..At least not for all the things that are REALLY killing the nation.

Im slowly coming to the conclusion that it don’t matter anymore, it’s too far gone, if a really radical group with far reaching ideas don’t get in then it matters little…..it’s all just going to burn and sort itself out.

So it’s either vote for proper people or let it burn, either works !

jmho of course 

[eastcoast 4,522]

Talk of a civil war?  FFS we had one, a thing which resulted in the rest of the developed world taking note. The English Civil War defined the world. Our civil war was not about rights for the people, it was about those who had the power defining who had what. The American War of Independence was not about giving rights to the new American citizens, it was businessmen who started to believe that they could create a new country, and have no need to pay taxes to their old country, and get stupidly rich. Which happened. End of the day, the generals have the real power, last seen in England in 17th century which says allot about how stable our country has been since then. The people have no power, and when the shit hits the fan, the government are made of paper, the army/armed forces have the power.