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[WILF 49,890]

18 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

I like to keep things simple. Football you play by the rules, boxing play by the rules, street fight, no rules.  My simple brain doesn't like exceptions or muddle. For example when Roy Keane deliberately targeted Alf Haaland's knee years back he was a complete shithouse. He did it in the most public way so football audiences could see him as the hard man. He didn't give two fucks how his team fared afterwards with only 10 men. If he really had beef with Haaland he could have knocked on his door and agreed to go somewhere quiet. He actually targeted the man's livelihood. Very low imo. There are still some players who refuse to feign injury they should be singled out for praise. Maybe the culture would change then. But I'm not holding my breath.

Shows how different people see different things, you remember Keane for that and I remember him for one of the best captains performances I have ever seen in my life, if not THE best, when he single handedly picked his whole team up by the scruff of the neck when they were getting buried by Juventus and dragged them to a European cup final……it was unforgettable! 
Nobody ever mentions a very ordinary player like Haaland standing over such a giant of the game and trying to mug him for being injured…..I’d have smashed Haaland too, the prick ! Lol 

If you are remembering a player like Keane for that mate, I’d give up watching if I was you ! Lol 

[big sid 1,128]

WILF go and boil your head, its not mma , its footie where player are much more complete athletes than they were, the hard guys are still there but the game is played more skillfully and at a pace guys from 15-20 years ago wouldnt get a look in, yes their are rules that are a farce and player use them to gain every little advantage they can get but when your paid handsomely its what you do, you mister seem intent on having a brawl rather than a game of footie..

[chartpolski 27,832]

27 minutes ago, WILF said:

I think that’s a bit of a dis-service to Newcastle, they cut Sheffield to pieces…..it was breathtaking.

Theres absolutely no easy teams at that level.

They pulled holes so big in the Sheffield back line you could have sailed a tanker through them, that don’t happen by accident or because Sheffield don’t know how to play…..that’s hours on the training ground executed to precision ! 
 

I thought we played very well from the edited bits I watched, that Paqueta is a player and his range of passing is fantastic and Antonio just mauls and rolls people, without Trent they had a problem with him. 

Much better players than the type of football Moyes has them playing sometimes.

 

“A disservice to Newcastle” ? Do you always take the opposite and opposing view to everyone ? LOL !

You didn’t used to !

Im a Newcastle supporter and YES it was a stroll in the park for Newcastle, it could have been double figures !

My neighbour and ex Newcastle player, John Anderson, who was commenting on the game for BBC agrees with me that it was a stroll in the park.

I’ve absolutely no illusions that it won’t be immeasurably harder in the next few games that include Man City and PSG.

Cheers.

[jukel123 9,398]

Just now, WILF said:

Shows how different people see different things, you remember Keane for that and I remember him for one of the best captains performances I have ever seen in my life, if not THE best, when he single handedly picked his whole team up by the scruff of the neck when they were getting buried by Juventus and dragged them to a European cup final……it was unforgettable! 
Nobody ever mentions a very ordinary player like Haaland standing over such a giant of the game and trying to mug him for being injured…..I’d have smashed Haaland too, the prick ! Lol 

If you are remembering a player like Keane for that mate, I’d give up watching if I was you ! Lol 

No, Keane played for my boyhood team. Of course I appreciated his overall contribution. He was part of a group of players who played on the edge and who were slightly deranged. Smeichel, Stam, Ince and others played to f****n win and took no prisoners. Keane came from a long line of super competitive midfielders from the 60s and 70s. But I don't remember  any of them feigning injury.

Keane was a great player but not a particularly gifted player. Sometimes he lost his head and you expect that but targeting Haalands knee was contemptible. They were virtually neighbours, they could have sorted it out at any time.  But Keane began to  believe he had special licence to deliberately  injure a man and leave his team with 10 men all for the sake of his precious ego.

 

 

 

[WILF 49,890]

1 minute ago, big sid said:

WILF go and boil your head, its not mma , its footie where player are much more complete athletes than they were, the hard guys are still there but the game is played more skillfully and at a pace guys from 15-20 years ago wouldnt get a look in, yes their are rules that are a farce and player use them to gain every little advantage they can get but when your paid handsomely its what you do, you mister seem intent on having a brawl rather than a game of footie..

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion mate, luckily we have had telly long enough so that everyone can go and watch the physicality Ronaldo Nazario had to deal with compared to what the likes of Saka has to deal with…..I wouldn’t call Ronaldos Inter Milan a bunch of Wimbledon impersonators, would you ?

Hand on heart, tell me a player like Saka could have dealt with Staam, Zanetti, Ayala, Desailly, Costacurta, Vidic, Maldini or Nesta ? 
He would be in casualty every week !

[WILF 49,890]

5 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

“A disservice to Newcastle” ? Do you always take the opposite and opposing view to everyone ? LOL !

You didn’t used to !

Im a Newcastle supporter and YES it was a stroll in the park for Newcastle, it could have been double figures !

My neighbour and ex Newcastle player, John Anderson, who was commenting on the game for BBC agrees with me that it was a stroll in the park.

I’ve absolutely no illusions that it won’t be immeasurably harder in the next few games that include Man City and PSG.

Cheers.

It was a compliment ! 

[chartpolski 27,832]

Just now, WILF said:

It was a compliment ! 

Then accept my humble apologies for apparently taking your comment in the wrong way.

Cheers.

[WILF 49,890]

4 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

No, Keane played for my boyhood team. Of course I appreciated his overall contribution. He was part of a group of players who played on the edge and who were slightly deranged. Smeichel, Stam, Ince and others played to f****n win and took no prisoners. Keane came from a long line of super competitive midfielders from the 60s and 70s. But I don't remember  any of them feigning injury.

Keane was a great player but not a particularly gifted player. Sometimes he lost his head and you expect that but targeting Haalands knee was contemptible. They were virtually neighbours, they could have sorted it out at any time.  But Keane began to  believe he had special licence to deliberately  injure a man and leave his team with 10 men all for the sake of his precious ego.

 

 

 

Not everyone is technically gifted ball dribblers mate, different people bring different things.

Some players can dribble round 6 people and some can play a 60 yard pass with the outside of their right foot for fun then smash up the play and do it again.

Cantona added another 25% to that team just by turning his collar up and having that expression on his face…..then you add his ability into the mix.

Im not saying you are wrong about Keanes ego, I just don’t agree with you…..it was a time when you put markers down against teams and against players, I don’t believe those kind of things are just for the player you hit with the tackle, they are a message for every team watching……I may be way off, but that’s what I think. 

[jukel123 9,398]

54 minutes ago, WILF said:

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion mate, luckily we have had telly long enough so that everyone can go and watch the physicality Ronaldo Nazario had to deal with compared to what the likes of Saka has to deal with…..I wouldn’t call Ronaldos Inter Milan a bunch of Wimbledon impersonators, would you ?

Hand on heart, tell me a player like Saka could have dealt with Staam, Zanetti, Ayala, Desailly, Costacurta, Vidic, Maldini or Nesta ? 
He would be in casualty every week !

Hand on heart,how would Keane have dealt with Tommy Smith,Billy Bremner, Johnny Giles, Big Jack or Bryan Robson. Sorry I don't buy this footballing legend stuff about Keane. Hard tackling,never give up,inspirational but not a true great.

Both Viera and Keane were absolute pussies compared to hard men of the past. Creative players like Saka,Ronaldo Giggs have profited from better surfaces and stricter rules on physicality and the game is better off as a result. But the pantomime stuff leaves me disgusted.

We are all sick of new rules,but how about a red card for trying to get an opponent sent off?

Edited September 25, 2023 by jukel123

[WILF 49,890]

47 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Hand on heart,how would Keane have dealt with Tommy Smith,Billy Bremner, Johnny Giles, Big Jack or Bryan Robson. Sorry I don't buy this footballing legend stuff about Keane. Hard tackling,never give up,inspirational but not a true great.

Both Viera and Keane were absolute pussies compared to hard men of the past. Creative players like Saka,Ronaldo Giggs have profited from better surfaces and stricter rules on physicality and the game is better off as a result. But the pantomime stuff leaves me disgusted.

We are all sick of new rules,but how about a red card for trying to get an opponent sent off?

I never got to watch those players other than Robson so I really can’t comment mate.

Football is better without a doubt in as much as the players are fitter, there is a more elite athlete mindset, its technically very good…..but let’s be under no illusions, it’s football for the FIFA computer game generation.

However, good habits are not new, Italy was doing good habits 30+ years ago….they ate well, they trained well, they looked after themselves.

Its just the standardising of UEFA coaching has made it common place and the advancement in metrics, medical science and nutrition science has taken it to places it’s never been.

Rule changes were introduced to protect technically gifted but physically slight players so there would be more football and less tackling which makes for better telly…..it’s all about the telly !

Hence VAR, its an absolute nerds turnout….that’s not about football, it’s about telly for a generation who sat on their arse playing the play station instead of getting out over the park with a ball and a group of mates on a Saturday afternoon or a Sunday morning.

Nobody appreciates the art and minutiae of football because they never f***ing played mate, they sat indoors and watched it either in reality or on a computer screen. 

I don’t want to see football (or any sport) reduced to a bunch of nerds calculating millimetres on a screen to decide if one of the best goals you have ever seen is offside, at its most basic level competitive sport is one of the last places a man can go and pit himself mentally and physically against a complete stranger and not get locked up for it……that, imho, is a sacred space.

All the Mr nice guy shite is for the soy boy generation. 
 

Good chat by the way squire 

[WILF 49,890]

1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

 

We are all sick of new rules,but how about a red card for trying to get an opponent sent off?

I’d you could hit the bloke with a full throttle tackle you wouldn’t need to try and get him sent off, this is the result of the rules they made mate. 
 

If we are reducing the game to kids stuff then kids stuff is what you will get ;) 

[THE STIFFMEISTER 17,010]

1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

Hand on heart,how would Keane have dealt with Tommy Smith,Billy Bremner, Johnny Giles, Big Jack or Bryan Robson. Sorry I don't buy this footballing legend stuff about Keane. Hard tackling,never give up,inspirational but not a true great.

Both Viera and Keane were absolute pussies compared to hard men of the past. Creative players like Saka,Ronaldo Giggs have profited from better surfaces and stricter rules on physicality and the game is better off as a result. But the pantomime stuff leaves me disgusted.

We are all sick of new rules,but how about a red card for trying to get an opponent sent off?

Roy Keane was a better player  than all of those imho , he was captain of the most successful man United team of the premier era . It’s man United , not Wimbledon . You don’t get to be captain by snarling to the crowd . You have to be irreproachable, as a player , Roy Keane , much like souness , his skill set has been largely overlooked by his tackling and attitude . He didn’t get to where he was by flying in late . 
 

 

[THE STIFFMEISTER 17,010]

2 hours ago, jukel123 said:

No, Keane played for my boyhood team. Of course I appreciated his overall contribution. He was part of a group of players who played on the edge and who were slightly deranged. Smeichel, Stam, Ince and others played to f****n win and took no prisoners. Keane came from a long line of super competitive midfielders from the 60s and 70s. But I don't remember  any of them feigning injury.

Keane was a great player but not a particularly gifted player. Sometimes he lost his head and you expect that but targeting Haalands knee was contemptible. They were virtually neighbours, they could have sorted it out at any time.  But Keane began to  believe he had special licence to deliberately  injure a man and leave his team with 10 men all for the sake of his precious ego.

 

 

 

Not a particularly gifted player

that tickled me that , especially when he was voted football writers player of the season and pfa player of the year in the same season .

maybe Kev can remember better but I don’t recall a single team bullying or dominating united whilst he was in the pitch other than the odd European tie against real or Barca . Not beaten , but dominated . 

[keepdiggin 9,567]

I think jukel is trolling 

[jukel123 9,398]

4 hours ago, keepdiggin said:

I think jukel is trolling 

Nah, I've lived a long time. I remember a lot of players. Keane was good but not great imo. 

Stiff, if you were a manager and had to choose between Souness and Keane . Who would you pick? Keane and Bryan Robson? Keane or Bobby Charlton?

 A different point, Rice is very overated when compared with midfielders of the past. For beginners, he doesn't score enough goals. Compare him the likes of Frank Lampard. His fee was delusional. I get that Lampard was less a defensive midfielder but Rice's goal  ontribution makes his fee seem daft to me.

 

Edited September 25, 2023 by jukel123