BobDown 1,184 Posted April 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2022 18 hours ago, Leo Sayer said: Greengrass and Gary Hosker had real uns, thank me later .Gary was off our estate originally but I don’t remember the man, me father said he got a post man’s job up malham and moved . had a lot of rabbiting up there apparently Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moocher71 4,053 Posted April 5, 2022 Report Share Posted April 5, 2022 On 04/04/2022 at 13:36, BobDown said: 23 inch quick enough bags of wind just likes to run on a bit for my liking she can and does run right but I want to produce faster killers Bedy grey over a sal grey should make a cracking type and bedy put what you want into the mix 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 29,522 Posted April 5, 2022 Report Share Posted April 5, 2022 20 hours ago, Leo Sayer said: Greengrass and Gary Hosker had real uns, thank me later . Hosker died last year in the States, was into bear hunting with hounds, flew a bi-plane, interesting sort of guy 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dytkos 17,927 Posted April 5, 2022 Report Share Posted April 5, 2022 54 minutes ago, mackem said: Hosker died last year in the States, was into bear hunting with hounds, flew a bi-plane, interesting sort of guy He was running stag hounds in Florida last time I had any contact with him. Was a really clever chap but never acted the big 'un. Cheers, D. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leo Sayer 3,636 Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 23 hours ago, Bosun11 said: Think I read somewhere that Gary's Spud may have had summat more in the mix... I believe so myself too , that's what I heard 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bosun11 537 Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 The lurcher I always wanted as a kid, I'd read Rogues & Running Dogs and it was the Beddy cross 'review' that suited me most. Though growing up I don't think I ever seen one in this city, every other type but no Beddy X's, so my dream ended there and i moved on. It's still the one cross that I'd like to own, one day. An F1 Beddy/Greyhound out of a hard bitten, working underground Beddy, if they still exist... Sadly, I honestly don't think that'll ever happen. I believe that that dog i read about in that book long ago is doomed. Not because there isn't a genuine interest in the cross, Beddy Whippets are the past 10 years 'must have' lurcher BUT because those 'real deal' Bedlingtons that could produce the Real McCoy are soon to be a thing of the past..! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OldPhil 5,927 Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 (edited) In my experience,.. a Beddy lurcher is equally as useful, when produced, via other working Beddy lurchers... as opposed to a genuine F1 Hybrid... An entire generation, of running dog enthusiasts, have been brainwashed with all this First cross, Three Quarter Bred , three eighths/ five eighths,.. nomenclature. This method of categorising livestock, is ideal for the commercial producer of canines, wishing to sell a recognisable product,...but the concept frequently falls short, if pure working ability, is the prime requisite Personally, I found that the Beddy, lurcher to lurcher union, often gave me a right good sort. Edited April 28, 2022 by OldPhil 13 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 27,845 Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 Trio of beddy types ; Left to right; First cross beddy/grey . Beddy/grey x Saluki/grey. Beddy/grey x deer/grey-Whippet/grey. Cheers. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neal 1,929 Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 14 minutes ago, OldPhil said: In my experience,.. a Beddy lurcher is equally as useful, when produced, via other working Beddy lurchers... as opposed to a genuine F1 Hybrid... An entire generation, of running dog enthusiasts, have been brainwashed with all this First cross, Three Quarter Bred , three eighths/ five eighths,.. nomenclature. This method of categorising livestock, is ideal for the commercial producer of canines, wishing to sell a recognisable product,...but the concept frequently falls short, if pure working ability, is the prime requisite Personally, I always found that the Beddy, lurcher to lurcher union, often gave me a right good sort.... I grew up with a garden full of terriers and, after my parents divorced, my dad moved more to bedlington x greyhounds. However, although he rated his first two he was never able to quite replicate their character and work ethic from using subsequent bedlingtons mated to subsequent greyhounds, so your advice certainly makes a lot of sense. I guess some people would say, "If it aint broke don't fix it" but you can't always guarantee getting original stock of a similar calibre...whereas continuing with what you've got and is keeping you happy... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tank34 2,572 Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Bosun11 said: The lurcher I always wanted as a kid, I'd read Rogues & Running Dogs and it was the Beddy cross 'review' that suited me most. Though growing up I don't think I ever seen one in this city, every other type but no Beddy X's, so my dream ended there and i moved on. It's still the one cross that I'd like to own, one day. An F1 Beddy/Greyhound out of a hard bitten, working underground Beddy, if they still exist... Sadly, I honestly don't think that'll ever happen. I believe that that dog i read about in that book long ago is doomed. Not because there isn't a genuine interest in the cross, Beddy Whippets are the past 10 years 'must have' lurcher BUT because those 'real deal' Bedlingtons that could produce the Real McCoy are soon to be a thing of the past..! Beddy greyhound from old stuff are still out there , as for bedlington digging dogs who knows but beddy types working to ground are out there , two beddy greyhound from old stuff be over 40 years line breeding in both dogs 11 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bosun11 537 Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 6 hours ago, OldPhil said: In my experience,.. a Beddy lurcher is equally as useful, when produced, via other working Beddy lurchers... as opposed to a genuine F1 Hybrid... An entire generation, of running dog enthusiasts, have been brainwashed with all this First cross, Three Quarter Bred , three eighths/ five eighths,.. nomenclature. This method of categorising livestock, is ideal for the commercial producer of canines, wishing to sell a recognisable product,...but the concept frequently falls short, if pure working ability, is the prime requisite Personally, I always found that the Beddy, lurcher to lurcher union, often gave me a right good sort.... I get that Phil, i really do, but no different than any other cross, the base breeds have got to be sound stock. Right now there are ten ton of Beddy crosses (mainly Whippet types) being bred by sellers trying to 'cash in'... And I'm quite sure most are useful. What passes for a Beddy cross, ain't always so... My current hound could/would pass for heavy Beddy blood but there's only a drop in her, many, many years ago. She's proving to be real handy but she ain't a Beddy cross... No different than your pastoral crosses, the base blood has got to be sound for lines to continue and my post is questioning that... I like to try another terrier cross and the type I describe in the post above would be my choice. It's really not a case of being 'brainwashed' but rather the want to see what a 'genuine' one can really do and though i've seen plenty of first crosses of all types, until you own and work one, the reality can be quite different. Like i said, it was all fantasy, brought on by 'ol DBP when i was much younger, but like you, i had one or two chats with Mr George Newcombe (spelling) back in the day and always admired his passion for the breed. I'd just want his style of Bedlington to continue and produce handy Lurchers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
New moon 250 Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Bosun11 said: I get that Phil, i really do but no different than any other cross, the base breeds have got to be sound stock. Right now there are ten ton of Beddy crosses (mainly Whippet types) being bred by sellers, trying to 'cash in'... And I'm quite sure most are useful. What passes for a Beddy cross, ain't always so... My current hound could/would pass for heavy Beddy blood but there's only a drop in her, many, many years ago. She's proving to be real handy but she ain't a Beddy cross... No different than your pastoral crosses, the base blood has got to be sound for lines to continue and my post is questioning that... I like to try another terrier cross and the type I describe in the post above would be my choice. It's really not a case of being 'brainwashed' but rather the want to see what a 'genuine' one can really do and though i've seen plenty of first crosses of all types, until you own and work one, the reality can be quite different. Like i said, it was all fantasy, brought on by 'ol DBP when i was much younger, but like you, i had one or two chats with Mr George Newcombe (spelling) back in the day and always admired his passion for the breed. I'd just want his style of Bedlington to continue and produce handy Lurchers. That the scouser bred bitch? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bosun11 537 Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 Just now, New moon said: That the scouser bred bitch? Yes NM it is.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
New moon 250 Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Bosun11 said: Yes NM it is.. Can test ya patience them barney mutts can, worth it in the end though atb. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bosun11 537 Posted April 6, 2022 Report Share Posted April 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, New moon said: Can test ya patience them barney mutts can, worth it in the end though atb. Yer, I get that... Cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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