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[Born Hunter 17,910]

Just now, mushroom said:

That’s definitely flying subsonic. Strange, as most modern (if not all) Russian cruise missiles fly at super or hypersonic speeds. Probably a left over from Soviet times. Like bonfire night when you get the fireworks tin out and there’s a couple of cheap bangers and a garden fountain left over from years gone by 

Not for the entire flight time they don't. They often only utilise super sonic speeds in their terminal attack phase to reduce the risk from anti-air defences. Sub-sonic is more fuel efficient when travelling in a low threat environment.

[kanny 21,682]

 

[mushroom 14,097]

30 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Not for the entire flight time they don't. They often only utilise super sonic speeds in their terminal attack phase to reduce the risk from anti-air defences. Sub-sonic is more fuel efficient when travelling in a low threat environment.

That’s not exactly a low threat environment is it Middle of a war zone ffs

Lads on here could take that out with .177 flavour

Edited March 22, 2022 by mushroom

[Born Hunter 17,910]

2 minutes ago, mushroom said:

That’s not exactly a low threat environment is it Middle of a war zone ffs

Lads on here could take that out with .177 flavour

Where you saw it was low threat. That’s why it was sub sonic. The entire flight path of a cruise missile for any given mission is designed to minimise risk before the weapon is even fired.

[mushroom 14,097]

11 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Where you saw it was low threat. That’s why it was sub sonic. The entire flight path of a cruise missile for any given mission is designed to minimise risk before the weapon is even fired.

I know that, I also know that new tech allows for constant supersonic speeds for the entirety of a flight plan (fuel load dependent). Anyway…. We can agree to disagree. Without more info we’re both guessing.

Edited March 22, 2022 by mushroom

[Greyman 31,730]

14 minutes ago, mushroom said:

That’s not exactly a low threat environment is it Middle of a war zone ffs

Lads on here could take that out with .177 flavour

Now you started something, I recon it would need at least 22 and possibly 25 at a push, debate

[Born Hunter 17,910]

10 minutes ago, mushroom said:

I know that, I also know that new tech allows for constant supersonic speeds for the entirety of a flight plan (fuel load dependent). Anyway…. We can agree to disagree. Without more info we’re both guessing.

I’m not guessing, it’s allegedly a kalibr cruise missile which has been extensively used in combat and has reasonably well known performance. It’s totally standard for super sonic cruise missiles to fly sub sonic and had nothing to do with ‘tech’.

Sub sonic speed has benefits, regardless if ‘new tech’ allows sustained super sonic speed.

Edited March 22, 2022 by Born Hunter

[mushroom 14,097]

5 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

I’m not guessing, it’s allegedly a kalibr cruise missile which has been extensively used in combat and has reasonably well known performance. It’s totally standard for super sonic cruise missiles to fly sub sonic and had nothing to do with ‘tech’.

Sub sonic speed has benefits, regardless if ‘new tech’ allows sustained super sonic speed.

[Born Hunter 17,910]

7 minutes ago, mushroom said:

Every statement in the history of humanity has been based on assumptions. That doesn’t make everything a guess.

You said that it must be an old soviet era missile because it’s travelling sub sonic. Which is ignorant to how modern cruise missiles are designed to work. Even next generation cruise missiles are being designed to utilise sub sonic flight.

[mushroom 14,097]

1 minute ago, Born Hunter said:

Every statement in the history of humanity has been based on assumptions. That doesn’t make everything a guess.

You said that it must be an old soviet era missile because it’s travelling sub sonic. Which is ignorant to how modern cruise missiles are designed to work. Even next generation cruise missiles are being designed to utilise sub sonic flight.

I said probably which is the same as allegedly, vague. Plus I was making a joke, plus the published lowest speed a Kalibr missile flies at is Mach 0.8… That missile in the video is flying (IMO) a lot slower than that. So with all this taken into account neither you, nor me can be right or wrong on this

[Born Hunter 17,910]

9 minutes ago, mushroom said:

I said probably which is the same as allegedly, vague. Plus I was making a joke, plus the published lowest speed a Kalibr missile flies at is Mach 0.8… That missile in the video is flying (IMO) a lot slower than that. So with all this taken into account neither you, nor me can be right or wrong on this

With respect, the only claim I made was that super sonic missiles utilise sub sonic flight. Which is factually correct. You claimed the fact it was travelling sub sonic meant it wasn’t a super sonic missile. Which is incorrect.

You could’ve just said “huh didn’t know that, fair” but you wanted to be clever.

Edited March 22, 2022 by Born Hunter

[mushroom 14,097]

4 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

With respect, the only claim I made was that super sonic missiles utilise sub sonic flight. Which is factually correct. You claimed the fact it was travelling sub sonic meant it wasn’t a super sonic missile. Which is incorrect.

You could’ve just said “huh didn’t know that, fair” but you wanted to be clever.

I did know that and nowhere did I dispute it or say it’s a subsonic missile. I said it’s flying subsonic and then made a joke about it being a Soviet throwback

So with respect also…. Kinell

 

[Born Hunter 17,910]

1 minute ago, mushroom said:

I did know that and nowhere did I dispute it or say it’s a subsonic missile. I said it’s flying subsonic and then made a joke about it being a Soviet throwback

So with respect also…. Kinell

 

You literally said it’s strange it’s flying subsonic! Then came out with all sorts of reasons to justify your ‘joke’ that it must be an old gen missile. It’s totally fitting the MO of the missile it’s alleged to be. But apparently you knew that. LOL

f***ing hell like, is it you or me that’s autistic here!? LOL

[WILF 50,243]

14 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

 

f***ing hell like, is it you or me that’s autistic here!? LOL

Neither of you !…..if you was you’d have mastered every nut and bolt, and exactly how it works down to the last detail including the name of the man who made the tea at the factory where they built it, in about 15 minutes flat ! Lol 

[Born Hunter 17,910]

Just now, WILF said:

Neither of you !…..if you was you’d have mastered every nut and bolt, and exactly how it works down to the last detail including the name of the man who made the tea at the factory where they built it, in about 15 minutes flat ! Lol 

His name is Dmitry, but he’s in Gulag now…