Qbgrey 3,989 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 Your bang on new kid if you want earn a few quid here it out thier for you, I’m the same if we go to a pub or go to friends houses the conversation always gets to education like it’s the must have thing, I always upset them by saying most of the people with a pound note round my way did nt go to school it really fuks them off. Brickys down here are £210 to £300+ aday and plumbers prob more. Scaffoldings good money too. And like you mentioned if you want it, learn your craft and get out thier it’s a good earner, your accountant sounds like mine, he’s done my books since I was 17 until last year, educated, softly spoken, utter magician,maths and dates expert. Could tie the inland revenue in knots, man was well know round here, used to get people out of trouble with tax investigations but of course he got a few £££££ out of it.I tell the lads round here if you are reliable, clean worker, who charges fair and your works top level you will not have to travel far you will be recommended locally and can basically have all the work you want. Rough rogue builders have done us a favour thier as people are nervous of builders they don’t know or not been recommended so most don’t go for the cheap quotes as they understand they will get screwed over. 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 23,852 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 11 hours ago, NEWKID said: Many things will take you far beyond the "average" tradesman mate, yes a good degree can be one of those things, but I honestly think a lot of it is mindset. There are only so many top surgeons, top lawyers etc all have dedicated to study and their career, fantastic I tip my hat to them.... but like you say there are loads of people who go to University purely to appease pushy parents, or as it's the driven option at college (we are witnessing it now with Finley, his teachers can not work out why he wouldn't want to go). I guess I see it from point of view of successful working class, builder done good maybe, I've married a working class girl who was a hair dresser from 16, frowned upon as the stupid kids at college, she went on to build up and sale a very successful salon, helps a girl with training courses in and out (good friend of hers through the industry) that girl is in Aus teaching this week, flew there from 2 weeks teaching in LA, my point is trades can get you well beyond what is imagined if you have the mindset and drive. You will always have the "average tradesman" and they in the main earn really good money for minimal stress (the same as average solicitors or accountants etc) and that is great, but I get a bit sick of the general consensus in our education system that unless you go to Uni you'll be in a dead end job, kids need to be encouraged to use there strengths not have further education pushed on them as a tick box for the colleges and so parents can have a pissing competition amongst themselves Got to be honest,from the time they were young I always told my kids that university was part of the stepping stone of their educational journey,I didn’t want either of them to be like me,I wanted them well educated. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,397 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 10 hours ago, WILF said: My daughter just blagged it and she is a legal assistant for some big gambling firm or something like that, works from home, never has to leave the house and her work is global. Her and her boyfriend have just bought their first house in Belfast, she is 21. He never has to leave the house either, does something called “coding” (??) online. They are both on good money and all the benefits that come with a proper job, I’d never advise them to go it alone as a couple just doing a small business…..there was a time they could have earned more but I just don’t think that is the case now, better to pick up the cheque and not have any of the aggro. That can’t be healthy for a society can it mate ?…..I mean a society surely needs people who are going to get out and create something and it be worth their while don’t it ? Some of the coders I've worked with/hired are on big big bucks. A mate is earning easily close to a Mil € a year going into big companies and reforming their IT teams to make them more efficient... He moved to Andorra for the max 10% tax bracket lol.. If they are able to go it alone and invoice the clients/companies they'll end up much better off, more so if they move to a low tax country 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,639 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 (edited) 21 minutes ago, mushroom said: Some of the coders I've worked with/hired are on big big bucks. A mate is earning easily close to a Mil € a year going into big companies and reforming their IT teams to make them more efficient... He moved to Andorra for the max 10% tax bracket lol.. If they are able to go it alone and invoice the clients/companies they'll end up much better off, more so if they move to a low tax country You’d have to have an extremely niche skill set with a very comprehensive portfolio to achieve that though. He’s beyond the 1%. For every one of your mate there’s 1000 wankers who will sit there with a completely straight face and say that a catastrophic bug that ground the system to a standstill within two days of release is my fault because it wasn’t defined in the acceptance criteria that it shouldn’t do that. AI coding tools can’t come fast enough! Edited April 23 by Born Hunter 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,397 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 9 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: You’d have to have an extremely niche skill set with a very comprehensive portfolio to achieve that though. He’s beyond the 1%. For every one of your mate there’s 1000 wankers who will sit there with a completely straight face and say that a catastrophic bug that ground the system to a standstill within two days of release is my fault because it wasn’t defined in the acceptance criteria that it shouldn’t do that. AI coding tools can’t come fast enough! I've seen my fair share of blaggers over the years (I've probably over 300 nobhead CVs stored to check against).. Only one got past me in a hiring process.. She was fuucked off within a week for crashing the backend of a bank's custom CRM lol. Nothing more frustrating than a dev/team that doesn't hold their hands up and even worse is a PO or SM that can't lead or collaborate. I would disagree on the niche bit a little, you can specialise and earn big but you can also be good at what you do and earn big. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,639 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, mushroom said: I've seen my fair share of blaggers over the years (I've probably over 300 nobhead CVs stored to check against).. Only one got past me in a hiring process.. She was fuucked off within a week for crashing the backend of a bank's custom CRM lol. Nothing more frustrating than a dev/team that doesn't hold their hands up and even worse is a PO or SM that can't lead or collaborate. I would disagree on the niche bit a little, you can specialise and earn big but you can also be good at what you do and earn big. I'll be honest, I've never worked with anyone on that sort of money except maybe the current or former C-suite professionals in the upper echelons of in multinationals that need 9+ digits to record their "EBITDA". Are you talking about just a really good Java/python etc dev's? Because one worth a million quid a year is mind boggling to me. What I would expect for that sort of money is someone with three decades of experience in SW, ranging from dev, system architecting, infrastructure, PM/PO/SM, data engineering/science, with a CV that has roles on like CTO at Spotify etc etc. How common would you say these people are? For me it's 1/1000 professionals. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIDO.1 20,950 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 (edited) I did a flea spray this morning then fcked it for the day and went fishing, now I'm meeting our kid for a quick pint, then I'll take my lad boxing. We all define 'rich' in different ways Edited April 23 by DIDO.1 10 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,397 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 36 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: I'll be honest, I've never worked with anyone on that sort of money except maybe the current or former C-suite professionals in the upper echelons of in multinationals that need 9+ digits to record their "EBITDA". Are you talking about just a really good Java/python etc dev's? Because one worth a million quid a year is mind boggling to me. What I would expect for that sort of money is someone with three decades of experience in SW, ranging from dev, system architecting, infrastructure, PM/PO/SM, data engineering/science, with a CV that has roles on like CTO at Spotify etc etc. How common would you say these people are? For me it's 1/1000 professionals. No mate not devs more as you say C-suite/consultant level. My mate is one of those who gets parachuted in to fix shit within the teams/departments, not the coding itself. A high level coder can easily earn over 100k, depending the project, length of time, experience etc. I have another mate who works with Pega earning 6 figures. An experienced SM, PO, Agile coach can pull anywhere from 600 (SM/PO)-2k (Agile coach) a day. I had one consultant who charged Sapient Razor Fish 20k for a days work 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,397 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 As for the ratio I would probably agree with the 1/1000… I just happen to know a good few through my work over the years. Banks have to fork out in some cases nearly 100k a day for a mainframe engineer to deal with legacy infrastructure etc. Normally it’s a bloke who’s about 70+ years old lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 25,343 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, DIDO.1 said: I did a flea spray this morning then fcked it for the day and went fishing, now I'm meeting our kid for a quick pint, then I'll take my lad boxing. We all define 'rich' in different ways That day can never be repeated mate, it’s priceless 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 25,343 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, Born Hunter said: I'll be honest, I've never worked with anyone on that sort of money except maybe the current or former C-suite professionals in the upper echelons of in multinationals that need 9+ digits to record their "EBITDA". Are you talking about just a really good Java/python etc dev's? Because one worth a million quid a year is mind boggling to me. What I would expect for that sort of money is someone with three decades of experience in SW, ranging from dev, system architecting, infrastructure, PM/PO/SM, data engineering/science, with a CV that has roles on like CTO at Spotify etc etc. How common would you say these people are? For me it's 1/1000 professionals. 49 minutes ago, mushroom said: As for the ratio I would probably agree with the 1/1000… I just happen to know a good few through my work over the years. Banks have to fork out in some cases nearly 100k a day for a mainframe engineer to deal with legacy infrastructure etc. Normally it’s a bloke who’s about 70+ years old lol 53 minutes ago, mushroom said: No mate not devs more as you say C-suite/consultant level. My mate is one of those who gets parachuted in to fix shit within the teams/departments, not the coding itself. A high level coder can easily earn over 100k, depending the project, length of time, experience etc. I have another mate who works with Pega earning 6 figures. An experienced SM, PO, Agile coach can pull anywhere from 600 (SM/PO)-2k (Agile coach) a day. I had one consultant who charged Sapient Razor Fish 20k for a days work Cool story bro tell it again 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,397 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 15 minutes ago, Greyman said: Cool story bro tell it again This is an average. Depending on years of experience & more importantly, the perception of your ability easy to earn more. Most Agile coaches will work around 3 days a week. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Qbgrey 3,989 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 Trouble is you need money to enjoy yourself. Chicken n egg situation lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 25,343 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 34 minutes ago, mushroom said: This is an average. Depending on years of experience & more importantly, the perception of your ability easy to earn more. Most Agile coaches will work around 3 days a week. Cheers for that if I need to reinvent myself again in the future sometime I,ll come back as an agile coach thanks for the heads up lol 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 8 minutes ago, Greyman said: Cheers for that if I need to reinvent myself again in the future sometime I,ll come back as an agile coach thanks for the heads up lol And there's me thinking Agile just made wellington boots Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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