Trainability

[Aussie Whip 4,367]

17 hours ago, Black neck said:

Used 2 know a hare like that called sue uncatchable sue

I caught something off uncatchable Sue, or was that Run Around Sue .

[poxon 5,975]

Just now, mC HULL said:

it obvious some lads on  here can’t handle the truth  

chancer type I have a courser mate but don’t limit the  dog lol 

a fast dog good mouth can read land better then you that has loads in the tank why wouldn’t it be capable  at everything ??  

Good for you but your talking of truths ive gave you one no one as denying nothing there’s dogs out there that’s not your dog an still have the running dog game in hand perfectly an there not saluki bred But trying to compare your dog to other specialist dogs would make you or me foolish they are what they are.....chancers dogs that’s what we use em for

[SheepChaser 8,091]

1 hour ago, poxon said:

We all know a good old fashioned Lurchers still rate top dog they might not be the best as specialist but handy enough if you like a chancer type of dog that don’t put you in one category of hunter.....now that’s a truth

What do you class as Lurcher x Lurcher ? Most saluki xs, bull xs abs collie xs these days are Lurcher x Lurcher. 
 

Also, abs this isn’t aimed at you, but I would expect a decent runner that’s bred right and put together well, to be able to be used for whatever the owner chose. Ie a good fast running foxing dog, with a good strike and all of that, should be able to kill you a good bag of rabbits, hares on the lamp, flatten deer etc. A good dog is a good dog, what goes in the bag is usually more down to owners preference, the ground etc. 
 

I might be a bit breed blind but I would think if you wanted two breeds and only two breeds in the mix, then bull and greyhound would give you the best chance of having a dog that would take everything, be easy to train and live with. If you wanted to balance it out with something else then either collie or saluki depending what you like. In my opinion nothing else really adds much you can’t get from the above. 
 

Obviitsly there are plenty of dogs out there with all sorts in them that are flying, but if I was working from the ground up and wanted consistency in a line that’s the way I’d go.

 

Tin hat on  

[mC HULL 17,026]

1 hour ago, poxon said:

Good for you but your talking of truths ive gave you one no one as denying nothing there’s dogs out there that’s not your dog an still have the running dog game in hand perfectly an there not saluki bred But trying to compare your dog to other specialist dogs would make you or me foolish they are what they are.....chancers dogs that’s what we use em for

Mate I know there’s other breeds capable mixtures none will run daytime big rabs and bambi aswell as coursing bred 

thought mine was specialist dog I’d run 3 with anyone what I do the most

lamping is when I jog dog night have a craic   
 

Now a terrier man smellys reds need specialist dog I agree  

[Black neck 17,942]

1 hour ago, Aussie Whip said:

I caught something off uncatchable Sue, or was that Run Around Sue .

That my friend was suckasoftun sue

[poxon 5,975]

1 hour ago, SheepChaser said:

What do you class as Lurcher x Lurcher ? Most saluki xs, bull xs abs collie xs these days are Lurcher x Lurcher. 
 

Also, abs this isn’t aimed at you, but I would expect a decent runner that’s bred right and put together well, to be able to be used for whatever the owner chose. Ie a good fast running foxing dog, with a good strike and all of that, should be able to kill you a good bag of rabbits, hares on the lamp, flatten deer etc. A good dog is a good dog, what goes in the bag is usually more down to owners preference, the ground etc. 
 

I might be a bit breed blind but I would think if you wanted two breeds and only two breeds in the mix, then bull and greyhound would give you the best chance of having a dog that would take everything, be easy to train and live with. If you wanted to balance it out with something else then either collie or saluki depending what you like. In my opinion nothing else really adds much you can’t get from the above. 
 

Obviitsly there are plenty of dogs out there with all sorts in them that are flying, but if I was working from the ground up and wanted consistency in a line that’s the way I’d go.

 

Tin hat on  

You’ve answered your own question asked  
but still a specialist fox dog is not on the same level as a specialist rabbit dog were Rabbits are concerned it’s kind of like saying a bull greyhound has the same catch rate in the coursing field as a saluki greyhound or a fox dog as the same catch rate as a deer dog bred for that job. Honestly how many foxing lads do you know that can be bothered with fecking about running a fox dog on rabbits if there’s a nights of foxing ahead of them 

if I was after a dog for anything that moves (not a specialist dog) an i could get out regularly more than a couple of nights a week like I’ve said before on here I’m no fan of Salukis but it’d be a line bred bull greyhound to a decent courseing dog with a bit of size an power to it not one of these skinny small little coursers like I’ve said before this cross takes some beating they blend together well 

[SheepChaser 8,091]

No mate what I’m trying to say is you can take a good foxing bred pup that’s been bred for that job and go take it knocking deer over for its main job and it should excel and should catch you 30 rabbits on the lamp abs kill lamped hares etc 

[Gypsydog94 4,798]

6 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

No mate what I’m trying to say is you can take a good foxing bred pup that’s been bred for that job and go take it knocking deer over for its main job and it should excel and should catch you 30 rabbits on the lamp abs kill lamped hares etc 

Sounds like you need a bedlington whippet to me 

[shaaark 11,605]

12 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

abs

What's that mean mate, you've mentioned it a few times?

And don't say 'abdominals' lol

It's ok, just sussed it lol

Edited April 9, 2021 by shaaark

[poxon 5,975]

36 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

No mate what I’m trying to say is you can take a good foxing bred pup that’s been bred for that job and go take it knocking deer over for its main job and it should excel and should catch you 30 rabbits on the lamp abs kill lamped hares etc 

Then it’s a all rounder not a specialist dog ain’t it? Same can be said for rabbiting dogs there’s loads of dogs that are bred with rabbit in mind that could an do take deer hare fox....even the odd whippet

[poxon 5,975]

30 minutes ago, shaaark said:

What's that mean mate, you've mentioned it a few times?

And don't say 'abdominals' lol

It's ok, just sussed it lol

Keeps trying to tell me he’s rolling with a 6pack

[shaaark 11,605]

Still no votes for saluki x greyhound.

 

[poxon 5,975]

28 minutes ago, shaaark said:

Still no votes for saluki x greyhound.

 

Nope 

[SheepChaser 8,091]

36 minutes ago, poxon said:

Then it’s a all rounder not a specialist dog ain’t it? Same can be said for rabbiting dogs there’s loads of dogs that are bred with rabbit in mind that could an do take deer hare fox....even the odd whippet

I don’t think I’m explaining myself. 
 

Man breeds litter out of two ‘specialist’ foxing dogs, let’s say a bull grey type, nice and racey.

By your token the pups are ‘specialist’ fox dogs.

Man buys a pup out of that litter and uses it to kill deer, it kills lots of deer. It’s very good at it. So is it now a specialist fox dog or deer dog?

What happens if he kills lots of fox and deer and the dog is great at both. Now it’s not as good as a specialist dog it’s an all rounder, but it’s not. Who knows.

Another laddo gets one and smashes Charlie with the pup he gets and it’s a genuine fox dog and also it will kill rabbits as good as any dog on the lamp. But not as good as a specialist rabbit dog ? But it’s catching most of the rabbits it runs getting good hauls..... so now it can’t be a specialists fox dog any more cos it’s good at the rabbits ? 
 

And don’t get me started on the deer dog who would do you a pile of lamped hares ..... what’s he ?  

[shaaark 11,605]

2 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

And don’t get me started on the deer dog who would do you a pile of lamped hares ..... what’s he ?

My old dog, best catch dog I'v had. 

But pretty crap on rabbits!

 

But was also pretty good at catching in daytime.