Nice collie greys doing the job

[darbo 4,779]

40 minutes ago, shaaark said:

As said mate, I really do think it's 90% down to the owner how any lurcher turns out.  Most lurchers are fairly sensitive as pups, and if the owner is an overbearing nerk, that shouts at his pup for the slightest thing, or gives it a slap for doing what most pups generally do,  but he's too stupid/ignorant to realise it's just a pup thing, then the pup will turn out nervy, jittery and less obedient 

Give the same pup to a caring, knowledgeable owner, that pup would very likely turn out very useful.

Not saying the 2 nervous wrecks you saw were owned by nerks lol, but without knowing the background of how they were brought up, socialised etc, it's difficult to put a reason on why/how they were so nervous.

And I've said this a few times on here, I really don't think the majority of modern day lurcher owners are capable of dealing with a true collie cross.

ive had 2 from there 80s early 90s you make some good points. Also due to the scale of a breeding kennels time involved feeding /cleaning etc the pups wont have the socialisation a home bred litter would. Then as you say it was up to the new owner to understand this have patience and put the work in.My opinion on how a lurcher turns out is do your best and hope for the best. You cant put in what nature left out.

[shaaark 11,391]

3 minutes ago, darbo said:

ive had 2 from there 80s early 90s you make some good points. Also due to the scale of a breeding kennels time involved feeding /cleaning etc the pups wont have the socialisation a home bred litter would. Then as you say it was up to the new owner to understand this have patience and put the work in.My opinion on how a lurcher turns out is do your best and hope for the best. You cant put in what nature left out.

Yes mate , also, I have to say that my old dog, sired by taffy to a very greyhoundy  lurcher x lurcher bitch, was my best catch dog, BUT, he was a f****r to live with, and did indeed become harder to live with year by year lol. 

At the time I just put it down to him being a bit headstrong, weird, obtuse even lol. But after hearing  and seeing a few others with beardie in, from the early dogs to the later ones, behaving similarly,  I can only assume it must be the beardie in them that makes them behave that way?

 

[darbo 4,779]

3 minutes ago, shaaark said:

Yes mate , also, I have to say that my old dog, sired by taffy to a very greyhoundy  lurcher x lurcher bitch, was my best catch dog, BUT, he was a f****r to live with, and did indeed become harder to live with year by year lol. 

At the time I just put it down to him being a bit headstrong, weird, obtuse even lol. But after hearing  and seeing a few others with beardie in, from the early dogs to the later ones, behaving similarly,  I can only assume it must be the beardie in them that makes them behave that way?

 

Maybe shaaark i have heard both positive and negative regarding beardy crosses temperaments. My own experience is owning a 1st cross from Remus and the dogs temperament was bombproof real easy to live with.

[shaaark 11,391]

13 minutes ago, darbo said:

Maybe shaaark i have heard both positive and negative regarding beardy crosses temperaments. My own experience is owning a 1st cross from Remus and the dogs temperament was bombproof real easy to live with.

Yes mate, I remember you mentioning your old dog.  Remus was just beardie wasn't he, no border in him? And if that's the case, with your dog, there must be plenty more that were also mentally sound dogs.  Maybe it was me at that time, about 35 years ago, more than the dog? I was certainly less understanding in general, than I am now. But the other dogs with beardie in I've seen, then and since, were all pretty similar.  God knows? Lol

[darbo 4,779]

yes just beardy in the dog pic 30 years ago.

 

[poxon 5,915]

I think a lot of people that are negative towards Hancock bred dogs are people that have never owned one they go off story’s told by a mate or internet gathered information tbh I think they can be as good as any if the breeding gels not all the collies will gel to greyhound he put them to I think a lot of the negatives is because the blokes a puppy farmer that don’t sit well with most people an the fact he don’t do any work with his dogs now that’s what put me off buying one as he’s strictly business in the supply an demand.I also think people have no patience with pups no more people want straight out the crate with all the training socialising etc they don’t want to put time in no more they don’t give pups a chance to get its head on its shoulders an learn the ropes gradually they want it all at once soon as it’s 6-12months old they try an compare there young dogs to dogs already doing the job. Personally I’d not buy from Hancock but only on the basis he’s a peddler/farmer an id not support that but would I own a Hancock dog if I wanted a collie cross if I could get past the peddler/farmer thing.......yes I would I’d have 1/4 beardie 3/4 greyhound 

[poxon 5,915]

7 hours ago, W. Katchum said:

Give it another season or 2 an the folk who slagged Hancock an moaned about his poxy few hundred quid price tag will be wishing he still about as they pay a grand or 2 for some shitty beddy whippet

He is still about still doing a few litters but not commercially because of all the licensing for a commercial kenneling but bet he’s not still selling at £350 a pup there be the going rateBet he’s loving it now one pup sold nearly pays for his whole litter what he used to charge 

[shaaark 11,391]

25 minutes ago, baker boy said:

You shouldnt have to right the wrongs of a commercial breeder, pups, whatever breed should be confident happy socialised individuals not a cowering nervous wreck

I agree with you mate.  But I've been to see loads of litters over the years, for myself, with friends, with family.  Some of the places had to be seen to be believed as to how shockingly bad, dirty, shitty, and scruffy the places were, with the bitch and pups cowering and covered in filth, terriers and lurcher litters.  Been to hancocks a couple of times, most recently about 6 years ago, and when I was there, there were a few dogs out and about the place, friendly, coming up to me and my son to be fussed, every litter of pups we looked at, were all friendly, approachable and enquisitive. All looked well fed, cared for and clean. They certainly seemed socialised and friendly.

Don't know what it was like at other times, or if they were doing things differently?

[low plains drifter 11,182]

6 hours ago, Black neck said:

Les miserables

Chateauneuf du pape Albert

[mC HULL 15,806]

3 hours ago, shaaark said:

As said mate, I really do think it's 90% down to the owner how any lurcher turns out.  Most lurchers are fairly sensitive as pups, and if the owner is an overbearing nerk, that shouts at his pup for the slightest thing, or gives it a slap for doing what most pups generally do,  but he's too stupid/ignorant to realise it's just a pup thing, then the pup will turn out nervy, jittery and less obedient 

Give the same pup to a caring, knowledgeable owner, that pup would very likely turn out very useful.

Not saying the 2 nervous wrecks you saw were owned by nerks lol, but without knowing the background of how they were brought up, socialised etc, it's difficult to put a reason on why/how they were so nervous.

And I've said this a few times on here, I really don't think the majority of modern day lurcher owners are capable of dealing with a true collie cross.

I agree some mate but some are 100 % born like it no amount of any thing will change it mate  

[shaaark 11,391]

5 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

I agree some mate but some are 100 % born like it no amount of any thing will change it mate  

You're probably right

[Neal 1,929]

3 hours ago, darbo said:

yes just beardy in the dog pic 30 years ago.

 

Do you remember the name of the dam? I only ask because I had a first cross sired by Remus. I think she was born in '91 out of a bitch called Emma. Looked similar to yours, very dark brindle. Unlike what I was led to believe from certain books and articles, she was very friendly. She was however, very worky...once jumped in the beck which flowed through my garden to try to get a heron and jumped in Tarn Hows after a shelduck. Took a while to break to sheep but once she'd been broken she was 100% reliable with them.

[darbo 4,779]

33 minutes ago, Neal said:

Do you remember the name of the dam? I only ask because I had a first cross sired by Remus. I think she was born in '91 out of a bitch called Emma. Looked similar to yours, very dark brindle. Unlike what I was led to believe from certain books and articles, she was very friendly. She was however, very worky...once jumped in the beck which flowed through my garden to try to get a heron and jumped in Tarn Hows after a shelduck. Took a while to break to sheep but once she'd been broken she was 100% reliable with them.

He was born in 1989 neal the dam was a big fawn ex coursing greyhound called peach.

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[Black neck 17,279]

1 hour ago, darbo said:

He was born in 1989 neal the dam was a big fawn ex coursing greyhound called peach.

Them were the days