to have the corvid jab or not

[South hams hunter 8,855]

2 minutes ago, Greyman said:

So they are Phoning daily knowing they are not within the guidelines and will be refused the jab come on man, stop talking shit to further your case, I don’t work in the nhs and only know a tiny percentage of the medical professionals that you should and I know a few that will refuse it as long as possible, I also no nurses that lie about taking the flu jab yearly, unless you and south hams do actually live in utopia I think there is a little bit of fibbing going on and not every person in your area are as compliant as you are trying to portray

Is it the other way and they're lieing to you because they don't want to hear your opinion?

[chartpolski 20,510]

There's a huge, massive difference between being apprehensive of the vaccine and being an "anti-vaxxer". I've said many times, I'm on the fence about it, but under certain circumstances I'd have it.

Of course I think the government have made mistakes , but I put that down to incompetence, not conspiracy. They are not trying to kill us, or destroy the economy, they simply haven't faced such a situation before.

Anyone who thought the politicians should get everything right from the start, has far more faith in them than I have !

Perpetuating fake news is not only stupid, it's downright dangerous ! Scarring the old and the vulnerable into not taking the vax could cost them their lives.

As I said, I'm ambivalent about the vaccine, but if there was the slightest chance it would save my life, I'd be queuing up to take it.

BY the time they get round to doing 69 year olds, I may have more information to make my mind up !

Cheers.

 

[sandymere 8,261]

3 minutes ago, iworkwhippets said:

wouldn't say stupid Sandy  just wary of all the rumours

Stop listening to rumours and start looking at the science

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/?s=covid&category_name=&submit=Search

 

[socks 32,253]

Well my test came back negative. That weak Chinese shit can’t survive in my superior welsh body

[lurchergrrl 1,441]

2 minutes ago, maxhardcore said:

They prob being told get it or  maybe loose your job

We aren't being pressured at all. Most of us are getting it because we see what's happening first hand and we want it to stop. Understanding the science isn't hard if you sit down and have a look at it. Which is what I did

Got mine on Christmas eve. Sore arm for 12 hours. That's it. Still haven't grown gills or extra limbs

I don't generally like people on the best days and social distancing is one of my super powers, but even I'm feeling the mental stress off all this, never mind what's happening in the hospitals. If taking the jab gives us a chance then I'm happy to roll up my sleeve.

[sandymere 8,261]

7 minutes ago, Greyman said:

So they are Phoning daily knowing they are not within the guidelines and will be refused the jab come on man, stop talking shit to further your case, I don’t work in the nhs and only know a tiny percentage of the medical professionals that you should and I know a few that will refuse it as long as possible, I also no nurses that lie about taking the flu jab yearly, unless you and south hams do actually live in utopia I think there is a little bit of fibbing going on and not every person in your area are as compliant as you are trying to portray

Greyman, i may challenge perceptions and cause discomfort by the direct nature of my posts, but i never lie.

I know a fair few health professionals from multiple roles both professionally and personally from around the world and personally I have not met a single nurse, doctor,. physo, OT, pharmacist etc who is not planning to have or already had the Covid vaccine, I'm sure there will be some that do, basically being a nurse or doctor doesn't necessarily exclude stupidity, but they will be in the great minority.

[South hams hunter 8,855]

5 minutes ago, lurchergrrl said:

We aren't being pressured at all. Most of us are getting it because we see what's happening first hand and we want it to stop. Understanding the science isn't hard if you sit down and have a look at it. Which is what I did

Got mine on Christmas eve. Sore arm for 12 hours. That's it. Still haven't grown gills or extra limbs

I don't generally like people on the best days and social distancing is one of my super powers, but even I'm feeling the mental stress off all this, never mind what's happening in the hospitals. If taking the jab gives us a chance then I'm happy to roll up my sleeve.

Spot on post

[sandymere 8,261]

4 minutes ago, maxhardcore said:

How do you know the scientists have your best interests at heart on this one ?

The only moral way to go about it is say here is a vax take it or leave it before we craic on

 

What?? Science based medicine is written renowned doctors, etc , who are you going to believe them or Karen on facebook????

 David H. Gorski, MD, PhD, FACS is a surgical oncologist at the Barbara Ann Karmanos Cancer Institute specializing in breast cancer surgery, where he also serves as the American College of Surgeons Committee on Cancer Liaison Physician as well as an Associate Professor of Surgery and member of the faculty of the Graduate Program in Cancer Biology at Wayne State University.

Steven Novella, MD is an academic clinical neurologist at the Yale University School of Medicine. He is also the host and producer of the popular weekly science podcast, The Skeptics’ Guide to the Universe, and the author of the NeuroLogicaBlog, a daily blog that covers news and issues in neuroscience, but also general science, scientific skepticism, philosophy of science, critical thinking, and the intersection of science with the media and society. Dr. Novella also has produced two courses with The Great Courses, and published a book on critical thinking - also called The Skeptics Guide to the Universe.

Clay Jones, M.D. is a pediatrician and a regular contributor to the Science-Based Medicine blog. He primarily cares for healthy newborns and hospitalized children, and devotes his full time to educating pediatric residents and medical students. Dr. Jones first became aware of and interested in the incursion of pseudoscience into his chosen profession while completing his pediatric residency at Vanderbilt Children’s Hospital a decade ago. He has since focused his efforts on teaching the application of critical thinking and scientific skepticism to the practice of pediatric medicine. Dr. Jones has no conflicts of interest to disclose and no ties to the pharmaceutical industry. 

Scott Gavura, BScPhm, MBA, RPh, is passionate about improving the way drugs are used. A pharmacist by background, Scott works in the Ontario cancer system, managing and optimizing the use of very expensive cancer therapies. He has a professional interest is improving the cost-effective use of drugs at the population level. Scott holds a Bachelor of Science in Pharmacy degree, and a Master of Business Administration degree from the University of Toronto, and has completed a Accredited Canadian Hospital Pharmacy Residency Program. His professional background includes pharmacy work in community and hospital settings. Scott has also held senior roles with government and professional associations, in roles focused primarily on evaluating new drugs, which is where his personal interest in critical appraisal and pharmacoeconomics was stoked. Scott is a registered pharmacist in Ontario.

Jann J. Bellamy is a Florida attorney and lives in Tallahassee. She is one of the founders and Board members of the Society for Science-Based Medicine (SfSBM) dedicated to providing accurate information about CAM and advocating for state and federal laws that incorporate a science-based standard for all health care practitioners. She tracks state and federal bills that would allow pseudoscience in health care for the SfSBM website

[lurchergrrl 1,441]

3 minutes ago, South hams hunter said:

Spot on post

Cheers

People are scared, I get that. Conspiracy theories abound, folks are naturally suspicious. The media are generally a shower of shit stirrers and it's hard to trust in what we're told. But this situation is awful, my colleagues have been ill, hospitalised, lost multiple family members ... I have 3 teenagers whose lives pretty much suck right now. I want it to get better, and imo the vaccine is a chance at that. I would encourage people to read up and try to understand how it works, make an informed choice for themselves ... be part of the solution. 

I'm fair sick of the doom and gloom.

Also sick of the tramps who would normally be in the pub, out in the countryside chucking their rubbish around and generally annoying me with their constant presence. Be good if they could feck off as well

[South hams hunter 8,855]

2 minutes ago, lurchergrrl said:

Cheers

People are scared, I get that. Conspiracy theories abound, folks are naturally suspicious. The media are generally a shower of shit stirrers and it's hard to trust in what we're told. But this situation is awful, my colleagues have been ill, hospitalised, lost multiple family members ... I have 3 teenagers whose lives pretty much suck right now. I want it to get better, and imo the vaccine is a chance at that. I would encourage people to read up and try to understand how it works, make an informed choice for themselves ... be part of the solution. 

I'm fair sick of the doom and gloom.

Also sick of the tramps who would normally be in the pub, out in the countryside chucking their rubbish around and generally annoying me with their constant presence. Be good if they could feck off as well

That's it, all the soon and gloom of what's going to happen and people looking for rows for the sake of it isn't going to help us 

[lurchergrrl 1,441]

1 minute ago, maxhardcore said:

How is just not wanting a vax for something that ain’t killing them or their kids a conspiracy ?

What i mean Max is that there's a ton of misinformation in our faces. People convinced it's a conspiracy etc. Can't deny that.

It is killing plenty of people, leaving them with life changing issues and bringing the NHS to it's knees. It needs to stop.

You're well within your rights to refuse it  and not be judged tho. That's ok too  

[sandymere 8,261]

10 minutes ago, maxhardcore said:

Can you produce any evidence the vax ain’t harmful to those taking it now or in ten years or twenty years time in any way shape or form ?

What we do know is this virus has a 99.8% survival rate and that’s even if you catch it.

We also know it’s not killing kids so why risk a vax with them .

We also know the average age of a Covid death is 83

4 years over the average life expectancy

We also know only 388 people under the age of 60 in GB out of 70 million have died of Covid with no underlying health conditions

So using the above evidence is it  really worth the risk for fit healthy people to have a vax what’s not killing them or their kids ?

And is it morally right and democratic to force these people or anyone for that matter to have a vax if they just don’t want it ?

so where are you getting your figures from?? Karen of facebook or are you actually able to read some real science??

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/will-natural-herd-immunity-end-the-pandemic/

The main reason to vaccinate children is to create herd immunity but also children do die and or become seriously ill from Covid, its simple really, a safe vaccine to protect society as a whole, especially our older people, don't they deserve protecting or should we just let them die??

 

 

[sandymere 8,261]

24 minutes ago, maxhardcore said:

Freedom of Choice Sandy

That’s a Democracy end of

 

no ones denying freedom of choice, certainly not me but that's not what this is about, its about people spreading false information, basically people need information to make an informed decision and i for one feel that karen on facebook perhaps isn't the person to be given credence when we have lots of scientific evidence and specialist providing evidenced based information.

Edited January 12, 2021 by sandymere

[South hams hunter 8,855]

1 minute ago, sandymere said:

no ones denying freedom of choice, certainly not me but that's not what this is about, its about people spreading false information, basically people need information to make an informed decision and i for one feel that karen on facebook perhaps isn't the person to be given credence when we have lots of scientific evidence and specialist proving evidenced based information.

That's it sandy but don't forget it's also the scaremongering involving

[Greyman 25,370]

7 minutes ago, South hams hunter said:

That's it, all the soon and gloom of what's going to happen and people looking for rows for the sake of it isn't going to help us 

 

8 minutes ago, South hams hunter said:

That's it, all the soon and gloom of what's going to happen and people looking for rows for the sake of it isn't going to help us 

Mate read back some of your posts,PEOPLE LOOKING FOR ROWS FOR THE SAKE OF IT you spend hundreds of hours and ruin endless threads with your obsession to row with max then you have the neck to write shit like that, no wonder you are running round like a headless chicken trying to find out what’s actually going on,