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Just now, Meece said:

If it's got anything to do with basic they'll sell the shooter down the river.   They have always done this in the past.  Not to worry though. I read that out in Ausralia they did a lot of testing with steel and as long as you keep to less than half choke there isn't any problem.  AND if the steel shot was rammed down a barrel all it did was create a bulge ring which was only noticable by eyesight.  Seeing as the guns were shot thousands of time afterwards with no failures of the barrels I dont see any real probs.  Make you own lead shot cùt you own wads. I've even seen experiments using lead sheet cut into squares and used as shot.  Where there's a will there's a way.   Still we will have beèn out of the eu a long time by then.  The danger to our sport is apathy and appeasment.  Still there ain't any plod on patrol in Kent for serious crime so it must be dire in counties further out.  Farmers getting robbed daily and nothing is done.  AT All . Keep shooting and don't join basic.  They're the enemy of shooting.  Fifth columnist s the lot of them.

Just BASC?

Here's the other supporters.

 

24 February 2020

A joint statement on the future of shotgun ammunition for live quarry shooting

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Just now, KimE said:

"im sure the EU ban on hunting with lead came in end of last month but we were out so it didn't affect us over here."

We got rid of one of the most antihunting countries in EU.

In Sweden lead shot are allowed in forest and fields but banned in wetlands. Most shotgun shooting ranges are leadfree, steel works great for clays.

We are still tied in to EU rulings and new laws for another 10 months.

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Which means UK can have a lead ban then the rest of EU let it go until the next time the greens trys to ban hunting related things.

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10 minutes ago, timmytree said:

 This part of the report was supported by all the shooting organisations.

 

Petrol, paint, pipes and other materials had lead removed from them decades ago, as evidence of its toxicity mounted. Shooting wildfowl with lead was banned in 1999 but enforcement has been lax and research in England has found that more than 70% of ducks are shot with lead.

 

 

Lead as a metal is quite inert. Lead oxide and other chemical decompositions as used in paints and fuels were very dangerous as they are easily absorbed into the bloodstream.

Mercury is more dangerous but they shove it in yer teeth right!

 

In lay man's terms....it's bollocks!

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4 minutes ago, KimE said:

Which means UK can have a lead ban then the rest of EU let it go until the next time the greens trys to ban hunting related things.

Death by a thousand cuts!

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5 minutes ago, timmytree said:

We are still tied in to EU rulings and new laws for another 10 months.

Theyve passed a law that states that now we have to have insurance like a car insurance to drive a lawn tractor (mower) in your own garden !!  Boris has said take no notice. We'll throw out stupid laws like this.

They're all as bad as each other.  What gives a few on a committee to make sweeping commitments to make rules just like that without consulting the memberships.  If true about the amount of duck shot with lead that shows what the shooting public think about it. Since when has a single person on this site had any consultation about any of this.  Out in the USA the shooting orgs would be fighting this tooth and nail. Not acting like some Judas goat

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Just now, Sausagedog said:

Lead as a metal is quite inert. Lead oxide and other chemical decompositions as used in paints and fuels were very dangerous as they are easily absorbed into the bloodstream.

Mercury is more dangerous but they shove it in yer teeth right!

 

In lay man's terms....it's bollocks!

In part I agree with you, but if it becomes law rather than voluntary what can you do? Production of leadshot will be stopped eventually then we'll have no choice. The EU I've just found out is already implementing a ban which is probably why they have invested millions in a new factory in Italy producing alternatives. There will be a ban on UK game being sent over there.

This is a voluntaryy ban at the moment supported by all the shooting orgs, maybe it would be better to actually  try and work with it and maybe prevent a total lead ban?

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2 minutes ago, Meece said:

 

Theyve passed a law that states that now we have to have insurance like a car insurance to drive a lawn tractor (mower) in your own garden !!  Boris has said take no notice. We'll throw out stupid laws like this.

They're all as bad as each other.  What gives a few on a committee to make sweeping commitments to make rules just like that without consulting the memberships.  If true about the amount of duck shot with lead that shows what the shooting public think about it. Since when has a single person on this site had any consultation about any of this.  Out in the USA the shooting orgs would be fighting this tooth and nail. Not acting like some Judas goat

If that's true it shows that a lot of duck shooters don't care about the laws. That's their choice, but maybe that's why we are now in the situation where all the major groups supporting shooting are now calling for a voluntary ban?

If that doesn't get support then we will get a total ban eventually. For us we should be looking at damage limitation, not hastening the end of shooting by getting arsey about it.

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7 minutes ago, timmytree said:

In part I agree with you, but if it becomes law rather than voluntary what can you do? Production of leadshot will be stopped eventually then we'll have no choice. The EU I've just found out is already implementing a ban which is probably why they have invested millions in a new factory in Italy producing alternatives. There will be a ban on UK game being sent over there.

This is a voluntaryy ban at the moment supported by all the shooting orgs, maybe it would be better to actually  try and work with it and maybe prevent a total lead ban?

Well err no because it's BOLLOCKS.

Bring it on I say, then we can have more out laws. Like the drug dealers, people traffickers, slave labour, child abusers, sex workers. We can all be branded the same, yippee.

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4 minutes ago, timmytree said:

In part I agree with you, but if it becomes law rather than voluntary what can you do? Production of leadshot will be stopped eventually then we'll have no choice. The EU I've just found out is already implementing a ban which is probably why they have invested millions in a new factory in Italy producing alternatives. There will be a ban on UK game being sent over there.

This is a voluntaryy ban at the moment supported by all the shooting orgs, maybe it would be better to actually  try and work with it and maybe prevent a total lead ban?

what planet are you on. Are some sort of anti Brexit merchant that's a load of nonsense.  Individuals don't export game or ducks to the EU its only big game dealers and since when did any ban stop people  doing what they want anyway. The troubles in Ireland were a good example of that.  For the individual weekend game shooter you can easily make enough cartridges in your kitchen.   back in my grandfathers day they shot everything with their homeloads and they shot a load and they made everything from the ground up.

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3 minutes ago, timmytree said:

If that's true it shows that a lot of duck shooters don't care about the laws. That's their choice, but maybe that's why we are now in the situation where all the major groups supporting shooting are now calling for a voluntary ban?

If that doesn't get support then we will get a total ban eventually. For us we should be looking at damage limitation, not hastening the end of shooting by getting arsey about it.

And maybe that's not the reason !

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"Calling for" that the latest bollocks that all the crap local tv station reporters come out with.  I think that we all should be  "calling for" the orgs to be disbanded.  Still I  exppct that their all a load of loveys anyway.

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Just now, Meece said:

what planet are you on. Are some sort of anti Brexit merchant that's a load of nonsense.  Individuals don't export game or ducks to the EU its only big game dealers and since when did any ban stop people  doing what they want anyway. The troubles in Ireland were a good example of that.  For the individual weekend game shooter you can easily make enough cartridges in your kitchen.   back in my grandfathers day they shot everything with their homeloads and they shot a load and they made everything from the ground up.

If you actually take in what I'm saying, you may understand that it's voluntary, you as an individual don't have to change anything if you don't want. Shoot whatever you like with whatever load you want. I'm just trying to explain that all the orgs that support shooting are suggesting we look at changing our ways. It's not law so don't get upset. You have 4 or 5 years to think about it.

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