Alsone 789 Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 12 hours ago, terryd said: The ban will only apply to shotguns. They need to get exporting this stuff over here. as for the old guns standard steel and bismouth I guess. Got few years yet so not an immediate worry. Really, are you actually a shooter or anti who's joined to put your point across? Have you seen the prices? In the US, 12 gauge no:6 pheasant rounds - $42.95 for 10 rounds and that's at a discount store! https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/brands/h/hevi-shot/ For a 25 round UK equivalent box, ignoring any slight variation as UK / US prices are usually pretty much on par these days, that's £107.38 per 25 round box. Or £4,295.20 per 1,000. Are you going to pay nearly £5,000 for a day on the pigeon at your local farm? That would buy you a small 2nd hand car. For comparison, you can buy 1,000 pigeon cartridges for £250, making Hevi 20 times more expensive. 1 Quote Link to post
BGA 117 Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 Yeah but you wouldn't use hevi shot for pigeons you could just use standard steel. Quote Link to post
Sausagedog 7,381 Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, BGA said: Yeah but you wouldn't use hevi shot for pigeons you could just use standard steel. Yeah then bust a tooth eating my woodie meatloaf so they can shove more mercury in my mouth yeah, spot on! Quote Link to post
philpot 4,927 Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 Sorry but this is just a farse, are we going to go back to the days when you could buy heavily subsidised cartridges from varoius game conservency offices and others in order to shoot woodpigeon damaging crops. I fondly remember those days but cannot see it starting again in which case retired ole tarts like me will simply not bother taking the shotgun out on live quarry (possibly clay shooting as well which would seriously p1ss me off) and stick with pellets for my fac air rifle and rimfire until of course some arseoles decide that these need to be changed as well. As a side note, last year a guy I know came off the marsh with a couple of ducks only to be stopped by a DEFRA officer who insisted that he must scan the ducks to see what shot was used. Some kind of metal detector I am guessing. He was in the clear. Phil 2 Quote Link to post
Alsone 789 Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 Saw this posted elsewhere, maybe the answer is a nationwide strike of everyone involved in pest control. Imagine famine and food shortages in the UK. That would wake a few people up. Quote Link to post
terryd 8,036 Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 4 hours ago, Alsone said: Really, are you actually a shooter or anti who's joined to put your point across? Have you seen the prices? In the US, 12 gauge no:6 pheasant rounds - $42.95 for 10 rounds and that's at a discount store! https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/brands/h/hevi-shot/ For a 25 round UK equivalent box, ignoring any slight variation as UK / US prices are usually pretty much on par these days, that's £107.38 per 25 round box. Or £4,295.20 per 1,000. Are you going to pay nearly £5,000 for a day on the pigeon at your local farm? That would buy you a small 2nd hand car. For comparison, you can buy 1,000 pigeon cartridges for £250, making Hevi 20 times more expensive. https://www.ableammo.com/catalog/hevishot-hevi-metal-waterfowl-shotshells-30006-gauge-1500-fps-hevi-metal-shot-rdbx-p-123971.html about 24 quid I think but they various ranges of shot Never been called an anti before lol 1 2 Quote Link to post
Alsone 789 Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) That is cheap. I've seen them around that for Hevi steel. Even at £25 though, that's still around 3 times the price of lead. Apologies for the anti-tag, looking at your post count you've been around a long time, guess we've not really posted together before. Thought you'd just joined. Should have looked for your posts. Edited February 25, 2020 by Alsone 1 Quote Link to post
terryd 8,036 Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Alsone said: That is cheap. I've seen them around that for Hevi steel. Even at £25 though, that's still around 3 times the price of lead. Apologies for the anti-tag, looking at your post count you've been around a long time, guess we've not really posted together before. Thought you'd just joined. Should have looked for your posts. Don’t worry about it been called much worse lol 1 1 Quote Link to post
BGA 117 Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 10 hours ago, Sausagedog said: Yeah then bust a tooth eating my woodie meatloaf so they can shove more mercury in my mouth yeah, spot on! One kidney and a busted smile. You are going to be in pretty bad shape. 1 Quote Link to post
Sausagedog 7,381 Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 14 minutes ago, BGA said: One kidney and a busted smile. You are going to be in pretty bad shape. Not much worse than now. You know the saying ' face like a bulldog chewing a wasp'....well my face is like the bulldogs arse! 3 Quote Link to post
Sausagedog 7,381 Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 35 minutes ago, timmytree said: That's me! How'd you get that.... Quote Link to post
Alsone 789 Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 19 hours ago, Sausagedog said: Not much worse than now. You know the saying ' face like a bulldog chewing a wasp'....well my face is like the bulldogs arse! Could be worse it could be the face of a bulldog chewing a bulldog's arse. Still might get better when those antique guns of your explode under those steel balls. Why pay BUPA when you can steel shoota? (I ought to write adverts ) Quote Link to post
Sausagedog 7,381 Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Alsone said: Could be worse it could be the face of a bulldog chewing a bulldog's arse. Still might get better when those antique guns of your explode under those steel balls. Why pay BUPA when you can steel shoota? (I ought to write adverts ) Quote Link to post
ianm 2,594 Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 11 minutes ago, timmytree said: I've been having a good look at what guns will handle steel. Basically no more than half choke on any shotgun. Barrels with standard proof marks should only use standard steel loads, NOT high power. High power loads should only be used in barrels that are steel proofed with the extra fleur de lys stamped in. That is where most of the reported damage has happened. Your muzzleloaders will handle tungsten or bismuth. The Danish have been using non lead without problems even in Damascus barrels. The cost of bismuth or tungsten is prohibitive. 1 Quote Link to post
Sausagedog 7,381 Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 12 minutes ago, timmytree said: I've been having a good look at what guns will handle steel. Basically no more than half choke on any shotgun. Barrels with standard proof marks should only use standard steel loads, NOT high power. High power loads should only be used in barrels that are steel proofed with the extra fleur de lys stamped in. That is where most of the reported damage has happened. Your muzzleloaders will handle tungsten or bismuth. The Danish have been using non lead without problems even in Damascus barrels. Muzzloaders are low velocity. Steel needs velocity. It may be possible however as steel holds tighter patterns to increase powder and lower the load to up velocity. The only thing with that is the extra gas causing what is commonly known as doughnut patterns. Quote Link to post
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