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  1. Alsone

    6x24 scope on 17HMR?

    That's why it pays to buy a 1st focal plane scope. No shifting point of aim.
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    S&B .22 short

    The short isn't designed per se to be subsonic. There are subsonic shorts out there, but the short was designed to be a lower powered and quieter .22 hunting / target round by virtue of less powder. Hunt around, pun aside, and you'll find subs, subject to availability, as they're not often used these days. I'm guessing you were just unfortunate and found a brand / type that was supersonic when you really wanted sub. For squirrels or birds where you don't need high power, they're going to be ideal.
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    Loving the HV ammo.

    Your big trouble is with either round there's no hydro static shock at those distances (very little with .22 LR anyway!). .22 LR has more than enough energy to kill birds at those ranges but humaneness of it will always depend on where the bullet hits which makes for a much smaller margin of error, that with something travelling with more velocity. Hard to tell from the video but I would have expected more flapping if it wasn't dead. I'd say it was probably just nerves moving the wing slightly.
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    Loving the HV ammo.

    In terms of power, it's a big step up. The penalty is noise. Subs typically come in around 90ft lbs depending on the brand / type, whereas HV's typically deliver around 50-100% more energy, again depending on the round / brand chosen. The big shame with HV's is in terms of usable range, it's not that much more than the subs because both velocity and energy drop off quickly. A HV becomes a sub at around 90yds and that's using he figures for a CCI Stinger, as one of the hottest rounds. Possibly of more interest is Shooting UK did a ballistics test here using clay to test the terminal effects of several HV rounds: https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/reviews/ammunition/22-lr-high-velocity-ammo-test
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    Loving the HV ammo.

    Yeah but it's loud enough as to make no difference when it comes to scaring prey especially where we used to shoot in a valley with hills on all sides that it echoed off.
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    Loving the HV ammo.

    Because once you get that noisy, you might as well use a HMR or WMR or Hornet or a CF as you pointed out and gain a bit more range and punch in the bargain. .22 HV is a funny round in a way. The subs do most things. Once you need more range and give away the advantages of stealth, there are other calibres that fit better. Only reason I can see for using HV's is if you only have the 1 rifle with you and prey is unexpectedly a little beyond the range of subs. Beyond that, if you know the prey is going to be further out, there are probably better rifles for the job.
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    Loving the HV ammo.

    People hate them largely because they're very noisy. I remember being out with a mate when he shot some at night. The Winchester subs were just a quite phaat - quieter than my precharged moderated 12ft lbs air rfile! The Winchester HV's echoed round the valley off 3 hills some 2 or 3 miles away, 3 or 4 echoes in total. If I'm honest, it didn't sound that far behind a CF and that was with a quality mod on. The other factor of course is the trajectory is totally different and so they require a different zero and drop allowances. I guess many people are lazy, don't re-zero on a range or work out the new drops and then complain when they miss.
  8. I wasn't a member and got loads of help a few years back. It stopped short of Court assistance, but included lots of advice. Maybe it was different people. If you can get licensing cover elsewhere, then certainly consider it. It's not so much where you get it but whether you have it that matters.
  9. SY Police will grant a CF at 1st grant if you meet all the other requirements for good reason and health requirements, so I wouldn't worry too much about a .17 HMR and rimmy. Provided you have no skeletons in the closet, then it shouldn't be too bad. Just think about how you can justify a HMR and the rimmy ie what can the hmr do that the rimmy cannot, and you should be good to go with good reason given your permissions (the answer here is probably one of range, especially if you have long open fields as likely in the dales). Personally, I'd spend the £78 required to join the BASC 1st, as that way you have access to expert advice with the forms and expert advice and assistance if the application process goes tits up. PS don't forget to apply for moderators for both calibres.
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    .17 Wsm Update

    Why not buy it and add it to your collection?
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    .17 Wsm Update

    I think the point was it's a rimfire so potentially cheap on ammo but has CF performance. In the US, Federal WSM ammunition is $20 for a block of 50 rounds. For most .17 CF's that would buy around 20 rounds. Shooting Magazine UK report UK prices as £38 per 100 = 38p per shot for factory ammunition. Shooting UK seemed to like the calibre but not the bolt on Savage. Accuracy was reported as being a single hole at 50yds, 0.75 inch at 100yds, and 2 inches being possible at 200yds: https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/reviews/shotgun/savage-b-mag-target-17-wsm
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    .17 Wsm Update

    No Bob, Only have an SGC and current financial considerations mean I won't be applying for any expensive toys in the foreseeable future. I've not looked at reports on the WSM for a long time, but I don't think it's made i into Europe. I know a few people have knocked it, but the performance from a rimfire speaks for itself. I think the issue has been the case problems and from it's apparent low profile, I'm guessing it's maybe not getting a huge take up now in the States due to the issue. I wouldn't know, but I've not seen much about it.
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    Hogan DecimEater Differences

    The reason why you can fit a .22 moderator to a .17, is because the bullet is smaller. Try (or rather don't!) fitting a .22 moderator to a .243 or .308. .22 uses a .223 diameter bullet. With a larger calibre, where the bullet exceeds .223, there's a point where you'd be shooting the moderator because the hole down the centre wouldn't be large enough to let the bullet past. At the very least you'll destroy the moderator. In the worse case scenario, you could cause damage to your gun or even yourself. As Deker says, Moderators are calibre specific with the proviso, that you can often fit a moderator for a larger calibre on a smaller calibre. It will be inefficient though as a lot of gas and sound will simply come down that larger aperture around the bullet. (This may also serve to help release any extra pressure). As for proofing that's a whole other issue and is going to come down to the pressure generated and the pressure the moderator is designed for / or can cope with (if not designed for rimfire use). The pressure from a 12ftlbs air rifle vs a rimfire is most likely going to be much less (otherwise the air rifle would be up there for energy with the rimfire) which means whether or not a moderator can stand the additional pressure is going to be luck. If you know for definite from the manufacturer 2 mods are the same mod just assigned to different types of guns then they may be safe. However, I would suggest just taking pot luck is somewhat risky.
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    I'd have thought legally you'd be able to buy anything covered by what the licence terms say especially if you didn't request any specific type of .22. That said, I'd check with a legal adviser eg. from a shooting organisation or a specialist firearms lawyer 1st and get the advice in writing so at least if it goes tits up, you can show you sought professional legal advice and were acting in accordance with the advice you received.
  15. Alsone

    Modern Body Armour

    Where it could certainly make a difference is bullet proof limousines / cars for VIP / rich individual use. Currently armoured civilian cars put on several tons when armoured and need a whole host of other upgrades eg engine, suspension etc to cope with the weight, which is why armouring a car can cost in excess of 150K. To be able to put light panels simply behind the existing door panels, could make the whole armouring process much quicker and cheaper.