Hydropotesinermis 724 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) Thats the point you are missing. It didn't. and it won't. Crimes perpetrated in the uk with handguns since they were banned have increased. Edited October 2, 2017 by Hydropotesinermis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,960 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 Classroom of 5year olds a knee jerk reaction! Good im glad they took them off them.if it saved that from ever happening again! Didn't stop Derek bird. I've got more for power than he had, should we do away we those too? Might save another massacre? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 Didnt miss any point.im not debating it anymore been there before with this topic its pointless arguing it. Regardless you wont ever be allowed them just accept that point. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
delswal 3,819 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 Didnt miss any point.im not debating it anymore been there before with this topic its pointless arguing it. Regardless you wont ever be allowed them just accept that point. Hand guns are still not banned, if you can justify the need for one you can have one, I know of 3 people who have them I myself was considering putting in for one, I can justify the use of one, but do I really want one? no Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stumfelter 3,034 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 Didnt miss any point.im not debating it anymore been there before with this topic its pointless arguing it. Regardless you wont ever be allowed them just accept that point. You should have a look on the Vegas thread, there's a loon on there that thinks that every British citizen should be allowed to have grenades and explosives! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 Prob not but certainly would have been worse if the public had access to them. But we never had the same gun laws as you. They were never availabe to every tom dick and harry. pretty sure the uk massshootings were by folk with legally held guns. Dunblane. That taxi driver guy . yes criminals will have access to shooters, but cant think of any of them going on kill crazy rampages on the general public. The innocents that sadly were caught in the crossfire True I agree, but the existing laws in the UK were deemed too lax and a complete ban was brought into law. Despite this gun crime has increased so I could argue that this is entirely down to criminal use? The UK will never return to its previous laws. It will never ever adopt anything remotely similar to US model. The differences are completely cultural. The point that got lost in the other thread is that ownership is a constitutional right, whereas in the UK it's a privilege. When the bill of rights was penned it was to counter British soldiers forcibly disarming Americans and governments controlling the people is the opposite of how it's supposed to work. This was a horrible crime. A horrible detestable tragedy but the actions of the few will not remove the rights of the many. Again it's about rights, not needs. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 You should have a look on the Vegas thread, there's a loon on there that thinks that every British citizen should be allowed to have grenades and explosives! As that loon I'd say you're now deliberately misrepresenting what I've been saying. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stumfelter 3,034 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 You should have a look on the Vegas thread, there's a loon on there that thinks that every British citizen should be allowed to have grenades and explosives! As that loon I'd say you're now deliberately misrepresenting what I've been saying. Hahaha. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MickC 1,825 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) It's a terrible thing that's happened in Vegas and now all the anti gun lobby over there are screaming for a gun ban, what they need to remember is that after the Dunblane massacre over here all handguns were banned by Blair.All it did was remove handguns from legal law abiding citizens and leave them in the hands of criminals with the outcome being there is more handgun crime in Britain now than ever ( Handgun crime went up 40% in the two years after the Dunblane massacre). It could have been prevented as that B*$tard Hamilton had been denied an FAC but some Lord/MP/Politicians apparently over ruled the FLO,what ever it was Blair got involved and put a 100 year secrecy order on the massacre,still in effect to this day.With the availability of guns already in circulation in the USA a ban will achieve nothing as a lone gun nut will still be able to source a weapon legal or not,as already said the actions of a lone gun nut should not stop the law abiding citizens of the USA the privilege of owning guns . Edited October 2, 2017 by MickC 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MickC 1,825 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) Classroom of 5year olds a knee jerk reaction! Good im glad they took them off them.if it saved that from ever happening again! There is a lot more to the Dunblane massacre and it could have been prevented as Hamilton had been refused an FAC,Blair conveniently put a 100 year banning order on it stopping the truth from coming out. Blair is a despicable man the things he done as PM ! Edited October 2, 2017 by MickC 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
riohog 5,939 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 Classroom of 5year olds a knee jerk reaction! Good im glad they took them off them.if it saved that from ever happening again! There is a lot more to the Dunblane massacre and it could have been prevented as Hamilton had been refused an FAC,Blair conveniently put a 100 year banning order on it stopping the truth from coming out. Blair is a despicable man the things he done as PM ! and how convinient it was the chief constable sudenly retired the day after , he sighned his ticket!!!. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 51,127 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 Responsibility not regulation......do we really need our governments to think for us ?No,but American citizens need to be protected from random nutjobs who appear to be plentiful in the land of the free. Like the ones on London Bridge you mean ( thankfully a police officer had a gun to stop them ) or the Westminster one (thankfully a police officer had a gun) the Lee Rigby attackers (thankfully a police officer had a gun)....but it cost x amount of lives before the person with the gun showed up to save every f****r. A shame some one didn't have a concealed carry permit.....maybe it could have saved some lives. You sort of see where I'm going with this don't you........ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hydropotesinermis 724 Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Didnt miss any point.im not debating it anymore been there before with this topic its pointless arguing it. Regardless you wont ever be allowed them just accept that point. Of course our gun laws are never going to reflect the freedom they have in the states, but that has no bearing on tragedies such as this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 9,798 Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 So there's no connection between the amount of guns held by individuals in any given country and the number of gun-related deaths within that country? In that case let's sell assault rifles in supermarkets. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
riohog 5,939 Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 So there's no connection between the amount of guns held by individuals in any given country and the number of gun-related deaths within that country? In that case let's sell assault rifles in supermarkets. think the majority of gun crime is commited with illigaly own guns , bought on the black market not regestered ones . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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