Big Cat Sighting

[Greyman 25,278]

13 minutes ago, Kerny92 said:

Someone made the best point earlier that will surely have no comeback. Those people who are shouting the loudest and are insisting that they are for real, trying to convince us to believe would break their necks to prove to us non-believers. So why do we always get the same answer when we ask to put up? "I don't want the agro."  "We don't want people finding out" Well of course you want us to find out or else you wouldn't be telling us!

In truth mate I,m not that interested in proving it to you or any of the other members on here, this is much bigger than that, when this case is all drawn up and presented, they will either be accepted as a naturalised uk animal or I will have a shit load of egg on my face and a massive hole in my bank account for nothing, I don't care if you believe me or not all I ask is you be a bit civil and I will try to answer any questions as honestly as I can, you seem to have jumped in at the ass end of a long thread so I would suggest you start on page one and have a proper read through as most of your questions will have already been answered 

[foxdropper 17,092]

What's your theory as to why none are ever flushed for multiple persons to see by hounds ,shooting parties ,ramblers etc.Apologies if it's been mentioned before and you've answered fairly .Cats, any cats are very sensitive to disturbance and will flee rather than stay out of curiosity .Hunting days are massive around me with cars lining every minor road and lane when certain  nobilty ride out but still nothing has been seen sneaking away ,neither has anything ever been treed, the cats natural defence from any imperative attack .There are reports locally every year of cat sightings usually by the same individuals who openly believe in ufos .We had a spate of so called cat kills around us until two large dogs were shot worrying sheep about 5 years back. None of the lads I know to be out doing it have seen anything. You'll excuse me if it all seems a bit iffy. 

Mounted packs cover most areas of Britain with footpacks and pirates covering the rest so pretty much covered with hounds every Saturday in the season .There isn't many wild untouched places left in Britain to house the amount of territory  each one supposedly needs .Seems queer at least one never been documebted sighted  by multiple persons and photographed with good quality gear for the world to see 

[Greyman 25,278]

Two main reasons mate, one as you probably know is the fact most if not all foxhound packs are taught not to look at cats as it would be a very good way of losing land to hunt on if you ran round killing people's pets and I believe they keep cats around the hounds for this reason, secondly the cats are pretty much nocturnal and are up a tree or in a cave asleep when houds are out, one of the members on here stated earlier in the thread that he had witnessed a black cat slip out of cover and disappear about 20 mins before the hounds came through, I struggle to find my black cat in my own garden and I no all her hiding places it's what there good at 

[South hams hunter 8,837]

1 hour ago, Greyman said:

This is the last time I will respond to one of your reply,s as it's very frustrating going over and over the same shite that's been written already, Danny nineham is a joke a liar and really bad news for people that are serious about the subject, he charges money for his talks and is basically a fraud, Danny nineham managed to con his way into a police helicopter back in the 80,s when the boy from trelleck had his face scratched in a big cat attack, amazingly the boy was nineham,s nephew and the police soon Sussed him and distanced themselves, he has never had dealings with the sas but as a secret unit no one can ask them to confirm, and most of his evidence has been examined and discredited, but I have gone out of my way to go and see him and come to my own conclusions, I even paid £10 to sit in the back of one of his talks which is something you are not willing to do as it's easier being obnoxious from the comfort and safety of your own home, if you could be bothered to actually take in what's written this has all been said on this thread already, and before you ask I have zero qualifications to qualify me and I would never consider myself an expert, it's something I enjoy, it costs me money and I,ve never earned a penny from it before you start going down those routes, i,ve looked for qualifications in being a knob head and a twat but I can't find any, does not mean you don't qualify as the best I've ever encountered, it just show,s you don't have to have a certificate to be the best in your chosen field do you?? A natural aptitude will do, thank you and goodnight 

I clearly quoted mackem and was talking to him not you ... quack

[Ptd87 304]

If your struggling to find your pet moggy in't garden I'd give up looking for tigers ?,,, best of luck ?

[Born Hunter 17,639]

Greyman has messaged me with the details of the guy he says is doing the scientific research on this. I wont share the name because its not mine to share. What I will say is the guy seems to be the real deal, he's an equine behaviour specialist but has relevant research interests to work on this at least and holds a respectable position in academia. If this fella publishes then there is something worth reading! Time will tell...

[Kerny92 1,246]

Forget flushing them out, why has nobody ever recording these Big Cats calling come mating season? Pumas certainly call for their mates. Their calls a very loud and are unmistakable.

 

I know technically a Puma isn't a Big Cat but it's big and it's a cat so i will label it as one.

Edited March 28, 2018 by Kerny92

[Kerny92 1,246]

11 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Greyman has messaged me with the details of the guy he says is doing the scientific research on this. I wont share the name because its not mine to share. What I will say is the guy seems to be the real deal, he's an equine behaviour specialist but has relevant research interests to work on this at least and holds a respectable position in academia. If this fella publishes then there is something worth reading! Time will tell...

I'd much rather listen to an American hunter if given the choice, afterall i think the most popular myth is that of the Puma.

[Born Hunter 17,639]

17 minutes ago, Kerny92 said:

I'd much rather listen to an American hunter if given the choice, afterall i think the most popular myth is that of the Puma.

No doubt they are knowledgeable naturalists but they are not trained scientists. The collation, analysis and presentation of the evidence needs skilled researchers, ie forensic scientists, biologists etc. Experienced houndsmen/woodsmen could have a valuable part to play, but this must be peer reviewed scholarly research to be conclusive. An inconclusive but sufficiently curious published paper might just motivate funding to get those sort of experts involved with the scientists.

As I said, it's interesting but time will tell if the work is actually published.

[Kerny92 1,246]

2 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

No doubt they are knowledgeable naturalists but they are not trained scientists. The collation, analysis and presentation of the evidence needs skilled researchers, ie forensic scientists, biologists etc. Experienced houndsmen/woodsmen could have a valuable part to play, but this must be peer reviewed scholarly research to be conclusive. An inconclusive but sufficiently curious published paper might just motivate funding to get those sort of experts involved with the scientists.

As I said, it's interesting but time will tell if the work is actually published.

Maybe all these experts aren't really interested in doing a proper investigation because of the severe lack of evidence? 

[Born Hunter 17,639]

3 minutes ago, Kerny92 said:

Maybe all these experts aren't really interested in doing a proper investigation because of the severe lack of evidence? 

Maybe, maybe they are doing so now as greyman says. If a paper isnt published then the subject remains without credibility. Im taking greyman at his word and waiting for the paper.

[foxdropper 17,092]

1 hour ago, Greyman said:

Two main reasons mate, one as you probably know is the fact most if not all foxhound packs are taught not to look at cats as it would be a very good way of losing land to hunt on if you ran round killing people's pets and I believe they keep cats around the hounds for this reason, secondly the cats are pretty much nocturnal and are up a tree or in a cave asleep when houds are out, one of the members on here stated earlier in the thread that he had witnessed a black cat slip out of cover and disappear about 20 mins before the hounds came through, I struggle to find my black cat in my own garden and I no all her hiding places it's what there good at 

All fox packs are taught not to riot admitted mate but it's the act of drawing cover that flushes all before it .Plenty if of so called sightings broad daylight so the nocturnal thing don't stack up OR everybody seeing cats in daylight is a Waco .They follow snow leopards about their business ,filming their every move and they are the rarest cat alive .If it were recognised as being viable there would of been a documentary made that would show without a doubt we have cats living in the wild here .Wildlife crews are brilliant these days .I struggle to find any credabilty in ANYTHING I've seen to back up their existence. 

Why dont' you club together with a few more cat spotters to buy a few plot hounds that are bred for cats in the States .You would have YOUR proof within a  few months to show the world .Cage traps too .It' all very well trying to convince others but until all avenues are explored thoroughly you are really only playing at it whilst doing your best to convince yourself .

[Greyman 25,278]

3 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

No doubt they are knowledgeable naturalists but they are not trained scientists. The collation, analysis and presentation of the evidence needs skilled researchers, ie forensic scientists, biologists etc. Experienced houndsmen/woodsmen could have a valuable part to play, but this must be peer reviewed scholarly research to be conclusive. An inconclusive but sufficiently curious published paper might just motivate funding to get those sort of experts involved with the scientists.

As I said, it's interesting but time will tell if the work is actually published.

Your words are far more elequant and discriptive than mine so using your annalasis, I am the houndsmen/woodsmen and all the stuff I find I hand over to the skilled researchers, who are in the process of building a presentable paper, I meet up with them all once a year for an update and see some of them during the year individually if we have something to share, we stay in touch by email for the rest of the time, there are houndsmen like myself all over the country that all send our findings in to the same skilled  researchers and this is how we intend to prove the case, so that's why I can't answer all the questions or show all the stuff as I don't have it all at my disposal, so thank you to born for his help hope it helps some of you understand my position 

[Kerny92 1,246]

9 minutes ago, Greyman said:

Your words are far more elequant and discriptive than mine so using your annalasis, I am the houndsmen/woodsmen and all the stuff I find I hand over to the skilled researchers, who are in the process of building a presentable paper, I meet up with them all once a year for an update and see some of them during the year individually if we have something to share, we stay in touch by email for the rest of the time, there are houndsmen like myself all over the country that all send our findings in to the same skilled  researchers and this is how we intend to prove the case, so that's why I can't answer all the questions or show all the stuff as I don't have it all at my disposal, so thank you to born for his help hope it helps some of you understand my position 

Well i can't wait for this paper to be published, I'm sure you will notify us on here when it's been released? 

Edited March 28, 2018 by Kerny92

[Born Hunter 17,639]

4 minutes ago, Greyman said:

Your words are far more elequant and discriptive than mine so using your annalasis, I am the houndsmen/woodsmen and all the stuff I find I hand over to the skilled researchers, who are in the process of building a presentable paper, I meet up with them all once a year for an update and see some of them during the year individually if we have something to share, we stay in touch by email for the rest of the time, there are houndsmen like myself all over the country that all send our findings in to the same skilled  researchers and this is how we intend to prove the case, so that's why I can't answer all the questions or show all the stuff as I don't have it all at my disposal, so thank you to born for his help hope it helps some of you understand my position 

In ecology research people like yourself, gamekeepers, farmers, hunters are front line troops, boots on the ground, and are utilised in such research all over the world. These sort of people are great sources of anecdotal information to notify and direct the labcoats. It's totally typical.