Trump Under Fire

[scothunter 12,609]

Oh give it a rest wilf could get unfavourable stats in any country in the world including the one you're in!

[WILF 44,358]

41 minutes ago, scothunter said:

Oh give it a rest wilf could get unfavourable stats in any country in the world including the one you're in!

My point exactly mate........all I’m trying to point out is that there is big stuff happening in the world.......important stuff right down at everyday street level.

Wether Trump slept with a porn star or had dinner with a Russian or told a few porkies is of absolutely no consequence when there’s some kid without a roof.

Same as our own lot, “ohh is Corbyn anti Semitic?”......”ohhh did we offend the people off the windrush ?” 

Its total bollocks.......everyday people are getting the arse pulled out of them and all we can do is gossip ! 

[scothunter 12,609]

Tbh and I may be wrong but all this windrush and all the other shite is a southern thing what I mean by that is the ones who object and "seem" to care. Further north you go and up here in Scotland no one gives a shite.

Said it along the ones who do object the most aren't doing it cause they are concerned it's all to do with political point scoring and Facebook likes and making a name for themselves as some moral crusaders.

The f***ing world has become a social media experiment. Andy Warhol was way off the mark with the 15min of fame statement. This generation crave and I do mean crave fame and publicity and will jump on any cause regardless of whether they even agree with it or not. A quick look on social media to weigh up the mood decides which way they will go. Nothing is sacred or off limits.

Im With you on you're point we're all f****d. I dread to think what future generations will be like thank f**k I will probably won't be here to witness it. 

[ChrisJones 7,973]

4 hours ago, WILF said:

Wether Trump slept with a porn star or had dinner with a Russian or told a few porkies is of absolutely no consequence when there’s some kid without a roof. 

Depends on whether they used taxpayers money or not. If you're using my money to fiddle expenses then I want to know about it and lying your kecks off about the matter will determine whether you should be in position. Even if you're not using my money and it's putting you in a position where they can influence what you do with my money I want to know about it. The Don said that if we voted for Hillary we'd be at war in Syria and we'd still have Obamacare, and he continually badgered Barry about playing golf instead of running the country. He said he was going to drain the swamp and cut taxes to make the average American better off. The irony meter is off the scale at this point.

[WILF 44,358]

10 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

Depends on whether they used taxpayers money or not. If you're using my money to fiddle expenses then I want to know about it and lying your kecks off about the matter will determine whether you should be in position. Even if you're not using my money and it's putting you in a position where they can influence what you do with my money I want to know about it. The Don said that if we voted for Hillary we'd be at war in Syria and we'd still have Obamacare, and he continually badgered Barry about playing golf instead of running the country. He said he was going to drain the swamp and cut taxes to make the average American better off. The irony meter is off the scale at this point.

Let me put it another way my friend, on a danger to peoples personal life scale with 1 being not dangerous and 10 being very dangerous where do we put:

Still having Obamacare 

fiddling a few expenses

Being put in prison for expressing an opinion

Homeless single parents

? 

[ChrisJones 7,973]

15 minutes ago, WILF said:

Let me put it another way my friend, on a danger to peoples personal life scale with 1 being not dangerous and 10 being very dangerous where do we put:

Still having Obamacare 

fiddling a few expenses

Being put in prison for expressing an opinion

Homeless single parents

? 

They're all symptoms of poor government, my friend. I agree with you on the scale, I mean who couldn't?

[WILF 44,358]

3 hours ago, ChrisJones said:

They're all symptoms of poor government, my friend. I agree with you on the scale, I mean who couldn't?

And that’s all I mean mate, we are being distracted with background noise while real serious, sinister stuff is going on.

We are getting distracted by what the media want us to be distracted by.

[ChrisJones 7,973]

25 minutes ago, WILF said:

And that’s all I mean mate, we are being distracted with background noise while real serious, sinister stuff is going on.

We are getting distracted by what the media want us to be distracted by.

I'd go one further and say we're being distracted by the media we want to be distracted by.

We're looking at porn stars and ignoring that Donnie has selectively shelved one of his America first policies by assisting a Chinese telecoms firm (4th largest globally) in saving jobs and talking of lifting sanctions against a third generation despot who's family has famously starved and brutalised his own people for six decades! Despite that I still want to know whether he's paid his taxes while he could be simultaneously using mine to pay off an adult actress who he may or may not have cheated on his wife with, and this is as well as dealing with all the other things highlighted that should take a massive chunk of the time that the leader of the first world should be doing when he's not f*ck*ng around on the golf course.

He may be the CEO of America but he has to answer to his shareholders and I still believe that is as relevant today as it was when the Allies carved up the globe in '45.

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Donald J. Trump

 

@realDonaldTrump

 

The so-called leaks coming out of the White House are a massive over exaggeration put out by the Fake News Media in order to make us look as bad as possible. With that being said, leakers are traitors and cowards, and we will find out who they are!

 

 little bit ironic, don't ya think....

[Born Hunter 17,639]

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Donald Trump is ready to use trade talks to force the National Health Service to pay more for its drugs as part of his scheme to "put American patients first”.

Mr Trump has claimed that the high costs faced by US patients are a direct result of other countries’ health services “freeloading” at America’s expense.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/15/trump-threatens-use-us-trade-talks-force-nhs-pay-drugs/

"freeloading", that's a bit rich. It's the free market! Foreign 'socialist' organisations are bigger customers and so have more leverage in business than the smaller private companies.

Kinda an own goal for the Conservative movement too. "Socialism is terrible" and yet "The socialists get a better deal than us so we'll get them to subsidise our private system"...... eh?

None of this story makes sense to me... I'd say there is more involved here but the populist line of nationalism and anti socialism is too endearing to not play...... and I'm far from a fan of left wing economics! LOL

[ChrisJones 7,973]

The high costs faced by US patients are of a direct result of insurance companies in the market. The Affordable Care Act mandated that everyone in the US had to have healthcare coverage. It was no longer optional. The pharmaceutical companies know that they have to provide the drugs and the hospitals know that they can price gouge the insurance companies and to ensure that the insurance companies turn a profit that cost is then passed on to the consumer.

The correct answer is to repeal all of the healthcare legislation and return the costs to the market. The market will regulate the prices and all of these corporations will respond in hours if they wish to remain in business. If business guru Donald J wants to see how this works in practice look at the cosmetic surgery market. None of these procedures is covered by any healthcare provider and they're standalone at the whim of the market. As a result, the cost of these procedures has fallen consistently since their inception while the continual government meddling in the market has seen every other section raise its prices disproportionately. 

There's the 'G' word again... anyone spotting the pattern?

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[Born Hunter 17,639]

23 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

The high costs faced by US patients are of a direct result of insurance companies in the market. The Affordable Care Act mandated that everyone in the US had to have healthcare coverage. It was no longer optional. The pharmaceutical companies know that they have to provide the drugs and the hospitals know that they can price gouge the insurance companies and to ensure that the insurance companies turn a profit that cost is then passed on to the consumer.

The correct answer is to repeal all of the healthcare legislation and return the costs to the market. The market will regulate the prices and all of these corporations will respond in hours if they wish to remain in business. If business guru Donald J wants to see how this works in practice look at the cosmetic surgery market. None of these procedures is covered by any healthcare provider and they're standalone at the whim of the market. As a result, the cost of these procedures has fallen consistently since their inception while the continual government meddling in the market has seen every other section raise its prices disproportionately. 

There's the 'G' word again... anyone spotting the pattern?

It was so obviously a flawed logic being reported I probably sounded like a socialist pointing it out. I just wasn't aware of the real reason. Thanks.

[ChrisJones 7,973]

5 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

It was so obviously a flawed logic being reported I probably sounded like a socialist pointing it out. I just wasn't aware of the real reason. Thanks.

No worries, mate. The article posted doesn't go into the full reason why the costs are so different and it's clearly not something that's obvious to The Don either.

The cost of the medicine is $X to whoever wishes to buy it. The NHS is the largest purchaser/distributor in the UK. The figures in that article say £15.4bn for the year listed. They use that gigantic quantity to secure a discount as we all know that bulk purchasing usually entitles one to a hefty price reduction. There are numerous different healthcare providers in the US but they probably don't have the same individual clout that the NHS unless any of them are teamed up for mutual benefit.

Even if the cost of the medicine was the same in both countries by the time it's gone through the hospitals and billed to the subsequent insurance companies the cost this side of the Atlantic will be significantly higher due to that legally mandated market share. This should be glaringly obvious to billionaire business guru DJT.

One of his campaign promises was to lower the cost of meds to the consumer. What it sounds like he's suggesting is to impose a pharmaceutical tariff on the UK instead of dealing with what is actually causing the problem and that's the failure of the government intervention in the US healthcare market. The final couple of paragraphs of the article Mr Edwards is quoted...

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“USA healthcare prices are generally higher than in Europe and the absence of the sort of large-scale negotiation by the US government does not help. 

“This is more likely to be the cause of high drugs pricing, rather than one side of the Atlantic subsidising the other. "

 

It's a simple case of quantity discount and a broken US market. The people have to buy the product. The hospitals buy in bulk. They make up their price which is passed onto the insurance company. The insurance company then passes on as much of that cost as they can to the consumer. That's what jacks up the difference between Europe and the US.

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Donald J. Trump

 

@realDonaldTrump

 

America is blessed with extraordinary energy abundance, including more than 250 years worth of beautiful clean coal. We have ended the war on coal, and will continue to work to promote American energy dominance!

11:57 PM · May 18, 2018