Trump Under Fire

[jiggy 3,207]

On 20/06/2018 at 10:08, WILF said:

Not Obama surely?.......our Irish contributors will never be able to process that ! 

You would be surprised, most Irish people agree with trump and are anti immigration. The fact that Ireland stays in the EU and won't support brexit has nothing got to do with immigration. Even if the Irish are Brussels lap dogs the fact is they will take that every time rather than be England's lapdog      (They were that for long enough) even if it costs the economy and let's in a few migrants.It's just pure stubborn that's all. If the immigrants are causing trouble we will just allow them across the north border back into Britain. A good strong economy like that can afford to sustain them , not like us

[WILF 44,312]

7 minutes ago, jiggy said:

You would be surprised, most Irish people agree with trump and are anti immigration. The fact that Ireland stays in the EU and won't support brexit has nothing got to do with immigration. Even if the Irish are Brussels lap dogs the fact is they will take that every time rather than be England's lapdog      (They were that for long enough) even if it costs the economy and let's in a few migrants.It's just pure stubborn that's all. If the immigrants are causing trouble we will just allow them across the north border back into Britain. A good strong economy like that can afford to sustain them , not like us

I dont think you need to worry about shipping anyone to the border, Varadkar will make they are looked after here.

 

[jiggy 3,207]

18 minutes ago, WILF said:

I dont think you need to worry about shipping anyone to the border, Varadkar will make they are looked after here.

 

Like the UK the Irish tv stations and media source most of their extravagant TV presenters from Theatres, panto and largely liberal universities ( which most are). Homosexual , feminist , liberists have a platform to speak from to save the world. But if you were talking to the average man on the ground they would agree with a lot of the anti immigration policies. Take a lot of the fast food outlets in small towns for example. A large foreign family moves in and one name appears over the door. 12 months later at the end of tax year it changes to a different name and this continues until they run out of tax numbers. Clever business or tax cheating ( call it what you like).

There hasn't been any major terroist attacks here though mainly   due to Ireland been a neutral country and haven't interfered with foreign affairs (Stole there money and oil and shredded their homeland).

[scothunter 12,609]

1 hour ago, Francie said:

Was nothing to do with sandys opinion scot, we all know what that is an thats all his, its the comparison between children in ww2 an illegal immigrants lol

An that ladies story is 100% true, she did lose her son, the info is easily sourced.

I didn't say it wasn't true. 

You can compare the kids in ww2 to a degree. Some are genuinely fleeing cause there life's are in danger.not talking about Mexicans either.id have thought you would welcome and be eager to protect kids after all you are all for protecting them before they come into the world or once there here is it just ah f**k them now no my problem.

Anyway it was just an observation in not really that interested in America tbh I don't like trump and didn't like Hilary either.in fact can't think of any of there presidents in my life time that was any good.

[Francie 6,362]

4 minutes ago, scothunter said:

I didn't say it wasn't true. 

You can compare the kids in ww2 to a degree. Some are genuinely fleeing cause there life's are in danger.not talking about Mexicans either.id have thought you would welcome and be eager to protect kids after all you are all for protecting them before they come into the world or once there here is it just ah f**k them now no my problem.

Anyway it was just an observation in not really that interested in America tbh I don't like trump and didn't like Hilary either.in fact can't think of any of there presidents in my life time that was any good.

I get what your saying scot, im all for the protection of kids, its just these liberal bullshitters who will do anything to get job done, an that includes using innocent children.

Iv no problem welcoming proper refugees especially children, who have been threw the shite, ie no home food water an desperate for help etc.

But not immigrants who are coming in the back door without checks mates.

I cant just land to another country ilegally an expect to live there, nor could you.

[ChrisJones 7,973]

3 minutes ago, scothunter said:

You can compare the kids in ww2 to a degree. Some are genuinely fleeing cause there life's are in danger.not talking about Mexicans either.id have thought you would welcome and be eager to protect kids after all you are all for protecting them before they come into the world or once there here is it just ah f**k them now no my problem.

Most of them are fleeing violence. Central and Latin America aren't exactly secure throughout. My mate's family fled the civil war in El Salvador and while Mexico makes up the bulk of immigrants nods to Guatemala and El Salvador.

I think a lot of the attitudes are more pro-birth than pro-life.

 

[WILF 44,312]

Imho immigrants are being used (maybe even created) and shipped in by the tanker load to further undermine people’s culture and social identity.......they are a pawn in the game.

I know in Brexit load of people voted based on immigration but just as many didn’t give a f**k about immigration, for them it was all about big, sinister government, lack or freedom and democracy......they just sensed something is badly wrong and in fact they are seeing it play out.

Nobody wants to see families split up, everyone wants to be compassionate but the fact is your back are against the wall and it’s time to just get lowdown mean or you are dead ! 

Immigrants are only a tiny part of the equation but you can’t ignore any of it because the left/liberal call them want you will just can not be reasoned with.

Trumps a floating bit of driftwood that may stop you drowning and your all looking for a cruise liner to pick you out the water ! 

[ChrisJones 7,973]

33 minutes ago, WILF said:

Imho immigrants are being used (maybe even created) and shipped in by the tanker load to further undermine people’s culture and social identity.......they are a pawn in the game.

Do you honestly think we'd be seeing this kind of migration without flattening the middle east, though?

Even Alistair Campbell couldn't spin a positive out of that one so I don't see how it can be anything other than a monumental EU f*ck up. I mean if you look at the history of humanity, migration is part of the way we've done it but like with all 20th-21st-century problems they seem to be accelerated.

36 minutes ago, WILF said:

I know in Brexit load of people voted based on immigration but just as many didn’t give a f**k about immigration, for them it was all about big, sinister government, lack or freedom and democracy......they just sensed something is badly wrong and in fact they are seeing it play out.

Agreed there but as we've discussed previously the only way to stop this, now, is to remove the incentive for them coming here in the first place. Notice how they're bypassing Switzerland?

As you know I was ineligible to vote on Brexit but for me, it was always about autonomy. You can never have that with the EU. The fact they were unelected bureaucrats with a say in British policy was reason enough on its own.

44 minutes ago, WILF said:

Trumps a floating bit of driftwood that may stop you drowning and your all looking for a cruise liner to pick you out the water ! 

Some days he's a U-boat commander torpedoing lifeboats... We'll see how the results stack up in 2020 but this splitting of families issue is a very strange way of playing the game. I've not heard Republicans and Democrats united this much in the last 10 years!

[ChrisJones 7,973]

Doesn't look like they'll be building the wall soon either. It failed in the house 231 votes to 193.

[WILF 44,312]

55 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

Do you honestly think we'd be seeing this kind of migration without flattening the middle east, though?

I believe it’s all completely deliberate, you can’t have a hemoginised one state of Europe all the time the various people retain their sense of culture, identity and religion.......so what do you do?.........you keep diluting it and rubbishing it until it no longer exists.

 

[ChrisJones 7,973]

5 hours ago, Francie said:

Iv no problem welcoming proper refugees especially children, who have been threw the shite, ie no home food water an desperate for help etc.

But not immigrants who are coming in the back door without checks mates.

That's a bit of a puzzler though, mate. If you're a refugee and you don't have your government issued papers how are you supposed to enter a country with checks?

The US border with Mexico is just shy of 2000 miles long. That's like driving from Lands End to John O'Groats. Back again. And then set off again and ending up just short of Manchester. Imagine in all that time you have just 48 petrol stations (or border crossing points in this analogy.)

US law allows you to cross the border. You only remain illegal if you don't present yourself to Homeland Security as soon as is reasonably possible. If you are applying for asylum/refugee status US law completely welcomes that providing you can plead your case with due process.

Don is trying to eliminate that due process. If he does then there will be no such thing as a proper refugee. That's kinda f*ck*d from where I'm sitting...

[ChrisJones 7,973]

55 minutes ago, WILF said:

I believe it’s all completely deliberate, you can’t have a hemoginised one state of Europe all the time the various people retain their sense of culture, identity and religion.......so what do you do?.........you keep diluting it and rubbishing it until it no longer exists.

 

I don't think the EU is that organised. Look at how f*ck*d up its member states are. They couldn't organise a p*ss up in a brewery never mind a continent-wide cultural destabilisation plan. I blame socialism... again.

[WILF 44,312]

Never underestimate your enemy my friend.

[ChrisJones 7,973]

14 hours ago, WILF said:

Never underestimate your enemy my friend.

I don't mate but I see it as more of a side-effect than an actual policy. Every time they legislate for the greater good it creates a knock on effect, which they legislate against, which creates a knock on effect ad nauseum...

We're seeing the knock-on effect of attempting to appease both equality and diversity, whilst simultaneously engaging in a two-decade-long conflict in two countries. We know that integration of cultures has to happen gradually and naturally and that's only if it can happen at all. The push for equality believes that we can simply pile everyone into the same area and we'll figure it all out and that's just not possible, and I have no real axe to grind with anyone. It'll either happen or it won't and no amount of government mandated affirmative action will change that.

I don't doubt that there are some who are benefiting from the chaos in both the private and public sector. I do doubt that this collection of bureaucrats could actually orchestrate it based on their highly public and continual incompetence. They're simply riding the wave for their own benefit.

[WILF 44,312]

I tend to give them a bit more credit than that mate, these people are a lot of things but they ain’t stupid and neither are their advisors.

I don’t know if you have read Tony Blair’s autobiography but it’s amazing (and frightening) and makes you realize just how far ahead and outside the box these people are actually thinking........him and Campbell had Blair’s whole victory and subsequent tenure planned out to the last detail 5 years before it ever happened.

They didn’t miss a detail, they knew it day by day in advance for the whole time he was in office.

Thats what you are up against.