Ukip Stoke By-Election

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So the labour party and its supporter have been reduced to celebrating beating the smaller parties

 

Found their new level

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Theresa May finds herself in a very favourable situation - and I don't know whether she got there by deliberate planning or dumb luck !

 

Put your own preferences aside, and put yourself in the position of the voting public, as a whole. In short, imagine you are an undecided swing voter.... Now, look down the list of political leaders, and decide which you might vote for.....

 

Corbyn - clearly deeply unpopular ! Has negative ratings in EVERY demographic, including his own voters !

Farron - what's the point in supporting a party that only has 9 MPs, and have shown that they will sell their principles to the highest bidder ?

Nuttall - leads a party that is increasingly having it's relevance questioned. "What's the point of UKIP ?" is a question we are going to hear more and more.

 

You're left with one name - Theresa May ! In number one spot, not because she is a brilliant politician (because she isn't), but because she is the least bad choice, who has no credible opposition.

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Copeland really was a disaster for Labour but it wasn't really a surprise with all the turmoil and instability surrounding the party at the moment and the particular set of local issues, it doesn't really change anything when it comes to the national picture though. Labour will limp on and when the dust settles they'll still be the second biggest party and that's a strong position to rebuild from. UKIP utterly failing to make any kind of inroads into Labour heartlands when they're at their weakest position in decades though? That's a party starting the slide into real irrelevance and it's going to be really hard to claw their way back.

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Theresa May finds herself in a very favourable situation - and I don't know whether she got there by deliberate planning or dumb luck !

 

Put your own preferences aside, and put yourself in the position of the voting public, as a whole. In short, imagine you are an undecided swing voter.... Now, look down the list of political leaders, and decide which you might vote for.....

 

Corbyn - clearly deeply unpopular ! Has negative ratings in EVERY demographic, including his own voters !

Farron - what's the point in supporting a party that only has 9 MPs, and have shown that they will sell their principles to the highest bidder ?

Nuttall - leads a party that is increasingly having it's relevance questioned. "What's the point of UKIP ?" is a question we are going to hear more and more.

 

You're left with one name - Theresa May ! In number one spot, not because she is a brilliant politician (because she isn't), but because she is the least bad choice, who has no credible opposition.

how do ya think we feel, feckin criminals all convicted and they run us from Stormont, total loss

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"Hope triumphs over Fear" Corbyn after the Stoke victory . . Bit rich coming from a man who openly supported Adams & McGuinness in the days off bombing there way to the ballet boxes !!

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Copeland really was a disaster for Labour but it wasn't really a surprise with all the turmoil and instability surrounding the party at the moment and the particular set of local issues, it doesn't really change anything when it comes to the national picture though. Labour will limp on and when the dust settles they'll still be the second biggest party and that's a strong position to rebuild from. UKIP utterly failing to make any kind of inroads into Labour heartlands when they're at their weakest position in decades though? That's a party starting the slide into real irrelevance and it's going to be really hard to claw their way back.

Re: "the national picture"....

 

Corbyn has negative ratings in EVERY demographic - young, old, North, South, Leave, Remain, rich, poor and every group in between. He even has a negative rating among people who describe themselves as Labour voters !

I can't see how that's a "strong position" for him.....

 

Re:UKIP

Im coming round to then issue that it's hard to see where they go from here. Mrs May seems to have already brought some former Tory voters back, and once Brexit starts in earnest, she will have control of an agenda that was once their sole territory.

Aaron Banks' future donations could be in doubt, too, and without his input, they're going nowhere !

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"Hope triumphs over Fear" Corbyn after the Stoke victory . . Bit rich coming from a man who openly supported Adams & McGuinness in the days off bombing there way to the ballet boxes !!

He also says that "voters are turning away from Establishment politics"...... overlooking the fact that the exact opposite happened in Copeland !

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ahhh well so much for labour

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Copeland really was a disaster for Labour but it wasn't really a surprise with all the turmoil and instability surrounding the party at the moment and the particular set of local issues, it doesn't really change anything when it comes to the national picture though. Labour will limp on and when the dust settles they'll still be the second biggest party and that's a strong position to rebuild from. UKIP utterly failing to make any kind of inroads into Labour heartlands when they're at their weakest position in decades though? That's a party starting the slide into real irrelevance and it's going to be really hard to claw their way back.

Re: "the national picture"....

 

Corbyn has negative ratings in EVERY demographic - young, old, North, South, Leave, Remain, rich, poor and every group in between. He even has a negative rating among people who describe themselves as Labour voters !

I can't see how that's a "strong position" for him.....

I didn't say it was a strong position for Corbyn? I doubt he would even be leader in this hypothetical future when the dust has settled after a GE defeat. The point is even if they lose a significant amount of seats being able to rebuild from the position of still being the second biggest party is a far stronger position than other parties find themselves in. They may well be headed for a period in the wilderness but they won't be wiped out and with the right reforms and leadership will be in a position to form a government in the future.

 

UKIP on the other hand have again proven themselves incapable of making any kind of significant gains in Labour heartlands even when Labour are at their absolute weakest and that's a real existential crisis for the party.

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Copeland really was a disaster for Labour but it wasn't really a surprise with all the turmoil and instability surrounding the party at the moment and the particular set of local issues, it doesn't really change anything when it comes to the national picture though. Labour will limp on and when the dust settles they'll still be the second biggest party and that's a strong position to rebuild from. UKIP utterly failing to make any kind of inroads into Labour heartlands when they're at their weakest position in decades though? That's a party starting the slide into real irrelevance and it's going to be really hard to claw their way back.

Re: "the national picture"....

 

Corbyn has negative ratings in EVERY demographic - young, old, North, South, Leave, Remain, rich, poor and every group in between. He even has a negative rating among people who describe themselves as Labour voters !

I can't see how that's a "strong position" for him.....

I didn't say it was a strong position for Corbyn? I doubt he would even be leader in this hypothetical future when the dust has settled after a GE defeat. The point is even if they lose a significant amount of seats being able to rebuild from the position of still being the second biggest party is a far stronger position than other parties find themselves in. They may well be headed for a period in the wilderness but they won't be wiped out and with the right reforms and leadership will be in a position to form a government in the future.

 

UKIP on the other hand have again proven themselves incapable of making any kind of significant gains in Labour heartlands even when Labour are at their absolute weakest and that's a real existential crisis for the party.

Who cares if ukip are finished, they achieved EXACTLY what they set out to do, and when or if we leave the EU labour the Tories or any of the others still will not understand the resentment that is growing and growing, socialism, left wing, globalisation, pc anti white male, taxing us to the bollocks to pay for every fuckwit while telling us were the problem is us is what's the problem and none of it is even on their radar. Edited February 24, 2017 by JDHUNTING

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Copeland really was a disaster for Labour but it wasn't really a surprise with all the turmoil and instability surrounding the party at the moment and the particular set of local issues, it doesn't really change anything when it comes to the national picture though. Labour will limp on and when the dust settles they'll still be the second biggest party and that's a strong position to rebuild from. UKIP utterly failing to make any kind of inroads into Labour heartlands when they're at their weakest position in decades though? That's a party starting the slide into real irrelevance and it's going to be really hard to claw their way back.

Re: "the national picture"....

 

Corbyn has negative ratings in EVERY demographic - young, old, North, South, Leave, Remain, rich, poor and every group in between. He even has a negative rating among people who describe themselves as Labour voters !

I can't see how that's a "strong position" for him.....

I didn't say it was a strong position for Corbyn? I doubt he would even be leader in this hypothetical future when the dust has settled after a GE defeat. The point is even if they lose a significant amount of seats being able to rebuild from the position of still being the second biggest party is a far stronger position than other parties find themselves in. They may well be headed for a period in the wilderness but they won't be wiped out and with the right reforms and leadership will be in a position to form a government in the future.

 

UKIP on the other hand have again proven themselves incapable of making any kind of significant gains in Labour heartlands even when Labour are at their absolute weakest and that's a real existential crisis for the party.

 

In shock news 2nd is better than 3rd or 4th.........

 

Also how are you so sure Labour are at their absolute weakest ? I got a feeling they got a way to go yet before they start to turn things around and then I think they will rely on others screwing up (as UKIP and LibDems have) and handing them votes rather than there own lightbulb moment of realising they got a bunch of loons leading them.

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Copeland really was a disaster for Labour but it wasn't really a surprise with all the turmoil and instability surrounding the party at the moment and the particular set of local issues, it doesn't really change anything when it comes to the national picture though. Labour will limp on and when the dust settles they'll still be the second biggest party and that's a strong position to rebuild from. UKIP utterly failing to make any kind of inroads into Labour heartlands when they're at their weakest position in decades though? That's a party starting the slide into real irrelevance and it's going to be really hard to claw their way back.

Re: "the national picture"....

 

Corbyn has negative ratings in EVERY demographic - young, old, North, South, Leave, Remain, rich, poor and every group in between. He even has a negative rating among people who describe themselves as Labour voters !

I can't see how that's a "strong position" for him.....

I didn't say it was a strong position for Corbyn? I doubt he would even be leader in this hypothetical future when the dust has settled after a GE defeat. The point is even if they lose a significant amount of seats being able to rebuild from the position of still being the second biggest party is a far stronger position than other parties find themselves in. They may well be headed for a period in the wilderness but they won't be wiped out and with the right reforms and leadership will be in a position to form a government in the future.

 

UKIP on the other hand have again proven themselves incapable of making any kind of significant gains in Labour heartlands even when Labour are at their absolute weakest and that's a real existential crisis for the party.

In shock news 2nd is better than 3rd or 4th.........

 

Also how are you so sure Labour are at their absolute weakest ? I got a feeling they got a way to go yet before they start to turn things around and then I think they will rely on others screwing up (as UKIP and LibDems have) and handing them votes rather than there own lightbulb moment of realising they got a bunch of loons leading them.

How can labour be at there weakest anyhow 90% of there voters only vote for them because of what the Tories did to the industries as these generations pass they'll be filled with people who only remember the treachery of new labour there finished. Ukip as the name suggests is over (nearly) they achieved there goal. labour are finished because what they were founded for IE the working class labour force, they have destroyed it.

 

On another note which British politician has the largest profile? Well done Nigel good effort

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I honestly beleive UKIP are finnished along with the labour party who i want to see abliterated for what they have done to the town i live get used to the torys been in power for what could be an age and stop putting your faith in any political party as they all piss in the same pot.

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Copeland really was a disaster for Labour but it wasn't really a surprise with all the turmoil and instability surrounding the party at the moment and the particular set of local issues, it doesn't really change anything when it comes to the national picture though. Labour will limp on and when the dust settles they'll still be the second biggest party and that's a strong position to rebuild from. UKIP utterly failing to make any kind of inroads into Labour heartlands when they're at their weakest position in decades though? That's a party starting the slide into real irrelevance and it's going to be really hard to claw their way back.

Re: "the national picture"....

Corbyn has negative ratings in EVERY demographic - young, old, North, South, Leave, Remain, rich, poor and every group in between. He even has a negative rating among people who describe themselves as Labour voters !

I can't see how that's a "strong position" for him.....

I didn't say it was a strong position for Corbyn? I doubt he would even be leader in this hypothetical future when the dust has settled after a GE defeat. The point is even if they lose a significant amount of seats being able to rebuild from the position of still being the second biggest party is a far stronger position than other parties find themselves in. They may well be headed for a period in the wilderness but they won't be wiped out and with the right reforms and leadership will be in a position to form a government in the future.

UKIP on the other hand have again proven themselves incapable of making any kind of significant gains in Labour heartlands even when Labour are at their absolute weakest and that's a real existential crisis for the party.

But, at the moment, Labour IS Corbyn - because he is the leader, and he is trying to make the party in his own image......and his image is unpopular among Joe Public. In the short term he is safe, by only because there is no viable pretender to the crown, and a pointless leadership contest would only damage their prospects further.

So, actually, he has a lot in common with Mrs May - no viable opposition !

 

As far as UKIP goes, like I said, I'm beginning to think they're circling the plughole,for the reasons I've already given.....if they can't pull a rabbit out of the hat (and I can't see want that would be), it's hard to see a long term future for them.

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But, at the moment, Labour IS Corbyn - because he is the leader, and he is trying to make the party in his own image......and his image is unpopular among Joe Public. In the short term he is safe, by only because there is no viable pretender to the crown, and a pointless leadership contest would only damage their prospects further.

So, actually, he has a lot in common with Mrs May - no viable opposition !

 

As far as UKIP goes, like I said, I'm beginning to think they're circling the plughole,for the reasons I've already given.....if they can't pull a rabbit out of the hat (and I can't see want that would be), it's hard to see a long term future for them.

Now that's something we can agree on, the lack of real talented leadership candidates in the Labour party, I mean does anyone really think they'd be doing any better if Owen Smith had won?

 

I've always said Corbyn's main job is to reform the internal party structures to allow talent from across the party better access to leadership positions and I know that's being worked on behind the scenes ready for conference so in the event of a defeat in 2020 Corbyn will be able to step down and make way for some of the new talent to come through without the right of the party blocking anyone who isn't an empty suit.

 

 

I think Stoke was UKIP's last chance to pull a rabbit out the hat TBH