Border X Lakeys

[sooty92 105]

Met fella years bk at the midland around 31 year ago called Donald from Harrington Cumbria

He had two nice border lakies ! Funny thing was me mates had all got the train up too show there earlier on that year and met them all

Lad called Steph took them out for day with hounds

Think lad that run the show bk then was called peter graham , he went on too run the railway pub in Harrington

We went couple times too the show after that!

[samurai 178]

Cracking puppies I had a couple about 38 year ago great little dogs came on a lot quicker than the pure borders we had,I have a wherrier now which is border / Lakeland 3/4 whippet great bushing dog

[Rabbit Hunter 6,613]

Border Lakeland bitch, on the right obviously, not really a digging terrier but had the odd fox I think when out rabbitting.

Good old pic mate. That must have been back when the Plummer was created or thereabouts?

[morton 5,369]

 

There was a lot of terriers bred this way we're I grew up.... In fact dug my first fox with one wee bess, you mind her don haha long time ago, you could walk down the street an take your pic from a tidy pack of border lakeys for a days hunting..... Crackin litter jossa...any spare for sale ?

Fook sake tbat was years back, can remember seeing a few of them dug to as a wee guy haha and it must be my memory but there was very few shit ones among em haha wouldnt mind a couple of them now pal

 

Nearly every working terrier that was not white bodied around here was a Border/Lakey hybrid in the late 70,s and early ,s.In less than a few decades the majority of Borders and Lakelands need more than hybrid vigour to resurrect their status as workers now.

[morton 5,369]

 

 

 

There was a lot of terriers bred this way we're I grew up.... In fact dug my first fox with one wee bess, you mind her don haha long time ago, you could walk down the street an take your pic from a tidy pack of border lakeys for a days hunting..... Crackin litter jossa...any spare for sale ?

Fook sake tbat was years back, can remember seeing a few of them dug to as a wee guy haha and it must be my memory but there was very few shit ones among em haha wouldnt mind a couple of them now pal

Nearly every working terrier that was not white bodied around here was a Border/Lakey hybrid in the late 70,s and early ,s.In less than a few decades the majority of Borders and Lakelands need more than hybrid vigour to resurrect their status as workers now.

Is hybrid vigour the reason you cross your beddies aswell? Im still open to invites if you wanna show me a good un graft

 

There is only 1 reason i cross Beddy,s,1 to produce better workers,another 1 to produce better workers and more importantly the only 1 thing i breed Beddy,s for,WORKING ability,above and below,numero uno 1= below graft.The only worthwhile Bedlingtons about now are hybrids and if anybody attempts to tell you different ask to see their mutts in the dirt.Hybrids better represent the Bedlington as a worker than any KC or dollar bred dross,they work like a terrier FIRSTLY,they look like a Bedlington FIRSTLY and they don,t need invites.You are local and ill have a day out this season,possibly.

[Apache... 2,588]

Ive had a couple of border/lakelands in the past, one from a terrierman in south wales called Dai Ball he had a few of them [maybe some welsh lads know more on them] he worked well to a point, had another that was too hard 3 digs then retired. Very few are seriously worked nowadays, though i could be wrong!!!

[johnrussell84 2,880]

Do you have any pics off the pups now mate or pics off the sire and dam?? Just give people a wee feel of what they may turn out like

[ziggy 619]

Morton sure someone on here said you work them in rocks ..

[Dead Eyes 681]

Ive had a couple of border/lakelands in the past, one from a terrierman in south wales called Dai Ball he had a few of them [maybe some welsh lads know more on them] he worked well to a point, had another that was too hard 3 digs then retired. Very few are seriously worked nowadays, though i could be wrong!!!

Can you please explain this 'too hard'?

[DogFox123 1,379]

 

Ive had a couple of border/lakelands in the past, one from a terrierman in south wales called Dai Ball he had a few of them [maybe some welsh lads know more on them] he worked well to a point, had another that was too hard 3 digs then retired. Very few are seriously worked nowadays, though i could be wrong!!!

Can you please explain this 'too hard'?

 

A reckless dog that has no reverse gear is going to have a short career against certain quarry.

[tinytiger 872]

Tidy plumber Mango, I feel like washing my mouth out saying it but nice all the same

main founder of the breed if im not mistaken(rockey)..ive dug to 2 very good border/lakelands over the lastfew years-one bitch is still going and the dog died suddenly one day_(he was neutered before my friend got him-otherwise id definately have took a bitch to him)-think he came out of a dogs home

[tinytiger 872]

just to add ive never seen a fullbred border dug to-but the crosses of them seem to go well

[eastcoast 4,464]

 

Ive had a couple of border/lakelands in the past, one from a terrierman in south wales called Dai Ball he had a few of them [maybe some welsh lads know more on them] he worked well to a point, had another that was too hard 3 digs then retired. Very few are seriously worked nowadays, though i could be wrong!!!

Can you please explain this 'too hard'?

 

There was an argument, sorry, discussion on here a while ago about can a working terrier really be regarded as game ? A working terrier actively, repeatedly and willingly places itself in a situation that it knows from past experience is not conductive to its own safety. To me that is a sign of gameness in dogs or men. Can that be compared to the dead gameness of bulldogs being used in activities that are illegal in the UK ? I would say no. Totally different things. The job of a working terrier in the British Isles is to assist in the control of fox if that animal has become a pest. The terrier will find the fox below ground, bolt it or hold it in a stop end until dug to and shot. The terrier that doesn't learn to control its gameness and repeatedly, and inefficiently engages the fox head with force is going to suffer. Will always be taking too much punishment. Dead game or stupid ? "Too hard". Not to be confused with a dog that has the knack of quickly and efficiently killing a fox even though some hunt staff would regard such a dog as "too hard ", but not under present laws of fox hunting obviously.

 

This may seem a bit condescending Dead Eyes but I think the question was a little bit mischievous ? With working terriers it's not always a case of the harder the better. There's more to them that. I wish you the very best with your young terriers. They seem to doing be well in the pics on your threads.

[Dead Eyes 681]

 

 

 

Ive had a couple of border/lakelands in the past, one from a terrierman in south wales called Dai Ball he had a few of them [maybe some welsh lads know more on them] he worked well to a point, had another that was too hard 3 digs then retired. Very few are seriously worked nowadays, though i could be wrong!!!

Can you please explain this 'too hard'?

There was an argument, sorry, discussion on here a while ago about can a working terrier really be regarded as game ? A working terrier actively, repeatedly and willingly places itself in a situation that it knows from past experience is not conductive to its own safety. To me that is a sign of gameness in dogs or men. Can that be compared to the dead gameness of bulldogs being used in activities that are illegal in the UK ? I would say no. Totally different things. The job of a working terrier in the British Isles is to assist in the control of fox if that animal has become a pest. The terrier will find the fox below ground, bolt it or hold it in a stop end until dug to and shot. The terrier that doesn't learn to control its gameness and repeatedly, and inefficiently engages the fox head with force is going to suffer. Will always be taking too much punishment. Dead game or stupid ? "Too hard". Not to be confused with a dog that has the knack of quickly and efficiently killing a fox even though some hunt staff would regard such a dog as "too hard ", but not under present laws of fox hunting obviously.

 

This may seem a bit condescending Dead Eyes but I think the question was a little bit mischievous ? With working terriers it's not always a case of the harder the better. There's more to them that. I wish you the very best with your young terriers. They seem to doing be well in the pics on your threads.

Thanks for the detailed response, Eastcoast

 

And no, it wasn't meant as mischievous - but was to provoke discussion (partly because I had this very conversation with an experienced terrier man today)

 

Also - particularly if you'd followed my threads you'd understand - I'm worried that one of my pups may turn out 'too hard'...

 

If there is a dog that's 'too hard' wouldn't it rush in, take hold, and remain in that hold until dug to?

 

I could definitely imagine a dog being 'stupid game' and keep releasing and then deciding to go back for more and getting beat up in the process

 

But yes; my train of thought comes from an altogether different form of hunting

[Rabbit Hunter 6,613]

I'd say worry about them entering before how they'll work.