Farmers Shooting Dogs.

[billhardy 2,341]

A few year back there was a lad from Murton County Durham had his head just about blown off by a farmer who was waving a shot gun in his face one night when he was out lamping, they couldn't even identify him he was in that much of a mess. The farmer wormed his way out of it, he only got twelve month.

. If it would have been the other ways about ,the shooter would have got the mandatory sentence of life serving fourteen different guidelines on sentencing fa some .atb bunnys.

[billhardy 2,341]

 

It does happen there was an issue recently on carlton towers at selby where the keeper run over a lads dogs and also shot one.

 

There are lads on here who will know exactly what happened.

 

All hell broke loose with the keeper needing police protection but it is my understanding he is still there.

 

 

A lot of years ago a farmer on the edge of my village shot some dogs with a bullet gun.

One of the dogs was killed outright but another dog which was on a lead was shot with the bullet going striaght through.

The dog died later.

 

 

 

No one could ever understand how this farmer kept his gun licence and no action was taken against him.

The owner of the dog could have been easily shot.

Charges could have been braught against both parties but it is my understanding they came to an agreement to both drop charges.

I done a little job near selby before Christmas shurbun-in-elmet driving back towards the A1 I seen a plough jockeys pickup with a big sign saying your dog maybe shot if found amongst live stock FFS what's that about

. It means what it says I believe it's called forewarned atb bunnys.

[Daniel cain 42,892]

If a lurcher or terrier is running free around my way then they get shot-no ifs or butts-theres an old boy in the village who rounds them up and takes them to the one farmer who shoots them.few of my pals have had run ins with them.left a shotgun in his defender the one day and both went walkies lol.man's an out and out spineless cnut straight on the phone to the law everytime my pals try and corner him-police don't give 2 fucks about your dogs lads...atb dc

[billhardy 2,341]

If a lurcher or terrier is running free around my way then they get shot-no ifs or butts-theres an old boy in the village who rounds them up and takes them to the one farmer who shoots them.few of my pals have had run ins with them.left a shotgun in his defender the one day and both went walkies lol.man's an out and out spineless cnut straight on the phone to the law everytime my pals try and corner him-police don't give 2 fucks about your dogs lads...atb dc

. We humans are creatures of habits bait the can't up and whipp the spine

Less bustard atb bunnys.

[Qbgrey 3,987]

farmers round me only keep a few sheep to get thier farm subsidy,there more interested in wheat,rape,barley,maize,.others that have diversified keep a few to keep the subsidy coming in,therfore kerping the agricultural name to the farm.which mesns they can transport heavy machinery on a fastrac running on red,all on a agri reg,ie no mot,etc.

Edited January 3, 2017 by Qbgrey

[Chaff 3,414]

Got this of farmers weekly worth knowing me thinks

 

 

For the farmer facing the age-old problem of an out-of-control dog on his land, shooting may seem a reasonable and necessary step to protect his livestock, but the law in this area is far from easy and the consequences of getting it wrong can be disastrous, writes Tim Ryan, partner at Warners Solicitors

 

The owner or person in charge of a dog that is dangerously out of control in public or on private land without permission commits an offence under the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991, for which the sentence can be up to two years imprisonment and destruction of the dog.

 

In the absence of injury to a person or grounds to fear such injury, however, the offence the farmer is likely to be confronted with is worrying livestock, under the Dogs (Protection of Livestock) Act 1953, for which the penalty is limited to a maximum £1,000 fine.

 

“Worrying” covers attacking, chasing in a way that could cause injury, suffering, abortion or loss of produce, or simply being “at large”, that is not on a lead or otherwise under close control, in a field or enclosure containing sheep.

 

So what is the position of the farmer who shoots a dog? All property receives a degree of protection by law, so injuring or killing a person’s dog could give rise to a possible criminal damage charge. The question is whether the farmer had a lawful excuse. He will have to show that he acted in the belief that property was in immediate need of protection, and that his actions were reasonable having regard to all the circumstances. Where the dog has already moved away and is clearly no longer posing an immediate threat to livestock, the fact it might return on a future occasion provides no defence. What is “reasonable” depends very much on the facts. It would be relevant, for example, if a dog’s owner had failed to heed previous requests to prevent his dog from straying.

 

He might also find himself sued for damages by the dog’s owner for trespass to goods, in which case he will need to rely on the defence available under the Animals Act 1971 and show that he believed on reasonable grounds that either: the dog was worrying or about to worry the livestock and there were no other reasonable means of ending or preventing it; or, that the dog had been worrying livestock, had not left the vicinity and was not under anyone’s control and there were no practicable means of finding out to whom it belonged. There is a strict requirement to inform the police within 48 hours, and any failure will prevent subsequent reliance on the defence in civil proceedings.

 

It is not only damage to property that may be at issue. Section 4 of the Animal Welfare Act 2006 makes it an offence to cause unnecessary suffering to protected animals, which include dogs. Relevant considerations include: whether the suffering could reasonably have been avoided or reduced; whether the conduct was for a legitimate purpose, such as protecting a person, property or other animal; whether the suffering was proportionate to the purpose; and whether the conduct was in all the circumstances that of a reasonably competent and humane person.

 

The RSPCA generally investigates and prosecutes animal welfare offences, and it will be slow to agree that shooting was a suitable option. Anything other than a single, clean shot and immediate despatch could result in prosecution. Offences are punishable by imprisonment of up to six months and/or fines of up to £20,000. The court must also consider making an order disqualifying the offender from keeping animals.

 

Shooting a dog also gives rise to potential firearms difficulties which farmers should bear in mind. If a rifle or other section 1 firearm has been used, then, unless one of the conditions on which the certificate was granted covers such use, which is extremely unlikely, there is a real risk of prosecution for failing to comply with the certificate conditions.

 

Should the farmer pursue the dog to shoot it, then he could find himself charged with trespassing with a firearm, as happened to one farmer in 2012. He shot dead his neighbour’s dog, after he claimed to have seen it attacking one of his sheep. The magistrates accepted that the circumstances amounted to a reasonable excuse, but the decision could easily have gone the other way.

 

Firearms offences, except for minor technicalities, almost always attract prison sentences, and have been dealt with increasingly severely by the courts in recent years.

 

Shooting a dog will inevitably trigger a police review of the farmer’s suitability to continue to hold firearms. They may revoke his certificate(s), and although such decisions can be appealed against, the outcome is often far from certain. Specialist legal representation is needed. Firearms licensing appeals are expensive and the costs are generally not recoverable even if successful.

 

Dogs will continue to chase sheep and other livestock if they get the chance. For the farmer seeking to prevent damage to his livelihood, shooting a dog should be approached with the utmost caution and very much as a last resort. If not, he could be replacing one worrying problem with others

[SheepChaser 8,082]

SSS

 

Shoot, Shovel, Shut up.

[SheepChaser 8,082]

We get a lot of dog issues with the sheep. To date, its never been a hunting dog, always pet dogs. But its heart breaking, and if a dog is in with the sheep and doing any damage its going to get popped. Thats just how its got to be, its my livelihood.

[dark-destroyer-85 636]

 

 

 

Can anyone recall the name of the lad from a traveller background who was competing in the paralympics earlier in the year, paralysed from the waist down? He was shot in the spine by a keeper who shot through the rear of the vehicle he was in.

Novice

 

http://www.gravesendreporter.co.uk/news/shot_teen_left_paralysed_1_596858

FFS how could he plead not guilty.do you know the outcome of the case.

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/jail-for-men-who-shot-teenage-poacher-a104092/

2 years 8 months a Fecking joke know boys who had double for one punch

[Qbgrey 3,987]

remember that,not good

[Qbgrey 3,987]

remember that,not good