Using Cubs For Training

[zigzag dan 784]

 

 

 

I've been away for a bit and missed this one BUT i'd need hard fact before i'd be shouting from the rafters, film can be doctored any way you want it these days.. My question would be why the feck would any hunt be so bloody stupid and i very much doubt any would...

Oh yer, whilst we are on the subject of live bait, droppers etc.... I've never done it, ever.

If you need to use those sort of tactics to bring a dog on or gee it up in any way, then take a long hard look at yourself and the bin licking feckers you keep.

Your hunting dog, be it hound, terrier, sighthound or lurcher, will have hundreds of years of selective breeding behind it and all you need to do is bring it on right to get the best out of it. Its a long haul but if your using droppers your cheating and more importantly doing hunting no favours, pure and fecking simple, get a grip of yourself..!

Is using a dropper any worse than entering a coursing pup on a September stubble hare , or a bull x , doubled up on a fox ,the key to any lurcher is not over matching it as a pup ,,,,,as for geeing up ,,I once had a greyhound that never hit the lids , but finished fast , we took him out on the lamp one night , the night before a race , never slipped him just let him see quarry running , he was howling with excitement .............he smashed the lids , led all the way , backed from 4/1 into 2/1 ,,,,no animal is the same as the next one , some need different methods to get to the bottom of them .

To your first paragraph Dan then IMO yes it is worse. All the others offer a dog a better 'chance' to catch in a natural state. September stubbles still bloody run, as do doubled up foxes, even using a dazzler. And in those cases the quarry is all natural, untouched by human hands.

Look, i'm no fecking saint, few of us are but i'd rather loose sleep worrying about my youngsters first night out, than offer it sommat almost on a plate and if i'm gonna handle a live wild rabbit then i'm gonna be the one that kills it, as quickly and humainly as possible.

 

In an ideal hunting scenario the quarry would live to run another day and in reality the majority of true hunters appreciate more the escapee,a catch and kill is often a short burst of euphoria followed by a feeling of guilt and regret.We still make every effort to nurture,educate and enter our jukels into the field with the sole intention of getting them into the best possible position to catch and dispatch quickly and efficiently.The dirty shortcuts we often take to reach our goal are often far less pleasant than what we deem to be "hunting".Hunters know the true value and meaning of the hunt,others appreciate only the catch and kill stage,we may have a common intention yet rarely a common goal,every hunt should be about the hunt only,the catch is secondary to many of us and a quick,efficient kill is a blessing that soothes our hunting endeavour.A prolonged or unnecessary kill we find totally abborhent,especially a baby fox slung to hounds,in reality we,ve done worse in pursuit of our ambitions,sadly.

 

The fun of the hunt is obviously important but anyone who says its not about the catch and kill is lying ..........would we be happy that our dog only chased but never caught ? ,,,,the intention of rearing and conditioning a pup is surely to get him in peak condition , physically and mentally to kill .

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

Id not condone such practice,yet id not pick up the first or thirtieth stone to chuck,we all have our own unique ways of training and introducing a mutt to the field and if honesty ever raised its head many of us have some unsavoury hunting habits and training methods.Im more upset that another hunting kennel as had its trust ruined by another sneaky fecking infiltrator,how many kennels now will be looking at their staff and acquaintances with suspicion.If you cannot trust the person working alongside you thats far more abhorrent than the unsavoury demise of a cub,even cubs should be hunted and dealt with,with the respect any hunted animal deserves.When training a sapling respect often takes a back seat perhaps.

It isn't often I agree with your sentiments Morton. But you have hit the nail right on the head there with every word. Couldn't of put it better.

[morton 5,367]

 

 

 

 

I've been away for a bit and missed this one BUT i'd need hard fact before i'd be shouting from the rafters, film can be doctored any way you want it these days.. My question would be why the feck would any hunt be so bloody stupid and i very much doubt any would...

Oh yer, whilst we are on the subject of live bait, droppers etc.... I've never done it, ever.

If you need to use those sort of tactics to bring a dog on or gee it up in any way, then take a long hard look at yourself and the bin licking feckers you keep.

Your hunting dog, be it hound, terrier, sighthound or lurcher, will have hundreds of years of selective breeding behind it and all you need to do is bring it on right to get the best out of it. Its a long haul but if your using droppers your cheating and more importantly doing hunting no favours, pure and fecking simple, get a grip of yourself..!

Is using a dropper any worse than entering a coursing pup on a September stubble hare , or a bull x , doubled up on a fox ,the key to any lurcher is not over matching it as a pup ,,,,,as for geeing up ,,I once had a greyhound that never hit the lids , but finished fast , we took him out on the lamp one night , the night before a race , never slipped him just let him see quarry running , he was howling with excitement .............he smashed the lids , led all the way , backed from 4/1 into 2/1 ,,,,no animal is the same as the next one , some need different methods to get to the bottom of them .

To your first paragraph Dan then IMO yes it is worse. All the others offer a dog a better 'chance' to catch in a natural state. September stubbles still bloody run, as do doubled up foxes, even using a dazzler. And in those cases the quarry is all natural, untouched by human hands.

Look, i'm no fecking saint, few of us are but i'd rather loose sleep worrying about my youngsters first night out, than offer it sommat almost on a plate and if i'm gonna handle a live wild rabbit then i'm gonna be the one that kills it, as quickly and humainly as possible.

 

In an ideal hunting scenario the quarry would live to run another day and in reality the majority of true hunters appreciate more the escapee,a catch and kill is often a short burst of euphoria followed by a feeling of guilt and regret.We still make every effort to nurture,educate and enter our jukels into the field with the sole intention of getting them into the best possible position to catch and dispatch quickly and efficiently.The dirty shortcuts we often take to reach our goal are often far less pleasant than what we deem to be "hunting".Hunters know the true value and meaning of the hunt,others appreciate only the catch and kill stage,we may have a common intention yet rarely a common goal,every hunt should be about the hunt only,the catch is secondary to many of us and a quick,efficient kill is a blessing that soothes our hunting endeavour.A prolonged or unnecessary kill we find totally abborhent,especially a baby fox slung to hounds,in reality we,ve done worse in pursuit of our ambitions,sadly.

 

The fun of the hunt is obviously important but anyone who says its not about the catch and kill is lying ..........would we be happy that our dog only chased but never caught ? ,,,,the intention of rearing and conditioning a pup is surely to get him in peak condition , physically and mentally to kill .

 

Efficiently,the best of lurchers kill quickly,some owners over-match their mutts and appreciate the wrestle or own types,especially bulls,that suck the life and wrestle with a catch.

[ginger beard 4,652]

it's not ok to use droppers,it's out of order,it looks bad.go and find a squatter at the start of the season. what the huntsman done brings all of hunting into disrepute and if i saw anybody doing it i would level them.

[morton 5,367]

it's not ok to use droppers,it's out of order,it looks bad.go and find a squatter at the start of the season. what the huntsman done brings all of hunting into disrepute and if i saw anybody doing it i would level them.

Utilising droppers would be the least to lose me kip,droppers are a false hunt,yet they encourage many a reluctant mutt.If i was to fall out of favour with the hunting methods i deplore id seldom hunt again.I deplore the kill now,i deplore a poor chase,i deplore a quick dig or fast bolt and i deplore the lurcher that makes it look far to easy,id rather witness a long hunt,longer chase and go back a fortnight later and hunt a better educated prey again,for longer.Nothing more rewarding than a good mutt in flight and catch mode though.

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

it's not ok to use droppers,it's out of order,it looks bad.go and find a squatter at the start of the season. what the huntsman done brings all of hunting into disrepute and if i saw anybody doing it i would level them.

There's bigger things to worry about in life than wether or not a fellow lurcher man is using a dropper. I certainly wouldn't want to get all emotional if I saw someone doing so.

[ginger beard 4,652]

well you deploe a head then because a poor hunt or poor chase is NOT the same as throwing a cub with some hound pups.a reluctant dog ,never had one it's always the oppisite,if i did have one i would find a nice early squatter.like i;ve done with all previous dogs and never had a problem.i take it a dropper is when you ferret a rabbit out then take it to the middle of a field for the dog to catch.?you got to be a bit of a prick for that.

[ginger beard 4,652]

 

it's not ok to use droppers,it's out of order,it looks bad.go and find a squatter at the start of the season. what the huntsman done brings all of hunting into disrepute and if i saw anybody doing it i would level them.

There's bigger things to worry about in life than wether or not a fellow lurcher man is using a dropper. I certainly wouldn't want to get all emotional if I saw someone doing so.

 

what does it teach a lurcher.?

Edited June 26, 2016 by ginger beard

[ginger beard 4,652]

 

it's not ok to use droppers,it's out of order,it looks bad.go and find a squatter at the start of the season. what the huntsman done brings all of hunting into disrepute and if i saw anybody doing it i would level them.

There's bigger things to worry about in life than wether or not a fellow lurcher man is using a dropper. I certainly wouldn't want to get all emotional if I saw someone doing so.

 

maybe not on a dropper but putting the cub in with hounds in a barn deserves a punch.

[morton 5,367]

well you deploe a head then because a poor hunt or poor chase is NOT the same as throwing a cub with some hound pups.a reluctant dog ,never had one it's always the oppisite,if i did have one i would find a nice early squatter.like i;ve done with all previous dogs and never had a problem.i take it a dropper is when you ferret a rabbit out then take it to the middle of a field for the dog to catch.?you got to be a bit of a prick for that.

You don,t have to be a prick for it G,it works for some dogs,id not advocate it as common practice because its fecking lazy lurcherwork and a shortcut unnecessary with most mutts and most mutts would not develop through it,the few that do,do.Id rather use a ferret and bolt or use a mis-fortunate myxsi,stalk a bunny and slip or utilise a busher to flush in front.

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

 

 

it's not ok to use droppers,it's out of order,it looks bad.go and find a squatter at the start of the season. what the huntsman done brings all of hunting into disrepute and if i saw anybody doing it i would level them.

There's bigger things to worry about in life than wether or not a fellow lurcher man is using a dropper. I certainly wouldn't want to get all emotional if I saw someone doing so.

maybe not on a dropper but putting the cub in with hounds in a barn deserves a punch.

I can only comment on what you said though.

[nothernlite 18,026]

Some even breack the paw of a dropper disgusting

[FUJI 16,270]

Using a dropper is classed as baiting in the eyes of the law,if that's your thing & you confess to it then why not admit to digging badgers whilst your at it because the law & punishment for both is no different & that's a fact boys ?

[pablo esc 1,598]

 

well you deploe a head then because a poor hunt or poor chase is NOT the same as throwing a cub with some hound pups.a reluctant dog ,never had one it's always the oppisite,if i did have one i would find a nice early squatter.like i;ve done with all previous dogs and never had a problem.i take it a dropper is when you ferret a rabbit out then take it to the middle of a field for the dog to catch.?you got to be a bit of a prick for that.

 

You don,t have to be a prick for it G,it works for some dogs,id not advocate it as common practice because its fecking lazy lurcherwork and a shortcut unnecessary with most mutts and most mutts would not develop through it,the few that do,do.Id rather use a ferret and bolt or use a mis-fortunate myxsi,stalk a bunny and slip or utilise a busher to flush in front.

reminds me of a lazy, no it all, talker, I met a few times who lads, know, both topics, prick and lazy

[morton 5,367]

Some even breack the paw of a dropper disgusting

I tied a purse net around the back legs of a bunny and let it go for a lurcher reluctant to pick up runners,the fecking bunny ran down a warren and i lost a bloody good net,happy dumb days,now id tie a noose to a useless jukel that cannot come to terms with a rodent.