mattyg 1,862 Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Bmx or unicycle? Lol I personally agree with the innocent until proven guilty! Matt 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted June 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Bmx or unicycle? Lol I personally agree with the innocent until proven guilty! Matt He can't be proven guilty if he hasn't been taken to court but look at the facts. Car Uniform Sold his shotgun shortly after the murder Stashed antiques in someones shed Washed his jumper which disappeared Murdered someone else with a shotgun Scored very high on the psycho test Wife thinks he did it Daughter thinks he had something to do with it Raving loon You'd be hard pushed to prove him innocent. And he IS a convicted murder after all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mattyg 1,862 Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Trial by TV can never be a good thing, he ain't right but that dosnt mean hs guilty. I'm sure the truth will out sooner or later. Matt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted June 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Well it hasn't for the last 38 years, but i reckon they will re-open the case now. P.S. hang him! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kay 3,709 Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 I watched it last night & tbh I Thought that Wilson choreographed the whole thing... the big thing for me was when he took spencer to the old road he & Carl's family lived in.. you could see that Spencer was uncomfortable & he distanced himself from Carl when Wilson asked if Carl had played out on the front with the other kids in the street... spencer said all the kids looked the same & he didnt take any notice of them . which is fair enough .. if i was asked to identify next doors kid in a group of other kids the same sex & age I would struggle because I dont take any notice of them . MY theroy is that Wilson knew Spencer would gravitate towards the one person who he knew was an Allie at the time & gave him his alibi.. the secretary ... so low & behold he goes & requests a stop off at her home. But the old dear was lead by Wilson when he asked if she was sure if Bert hadnt gone out for lunch.... ffs she must have been if she was a day ... I dont think the police will re open the case unless theres some forescics that proove beond a doubt that spencer killed the lad I dont think spencers the killer i do think he was at the farm with the old boy who he killed a year later robbing the place & the old boy shot carl , i know that some of you shotgun lads will put me right , but if bert had sneeked out of work early afternoon ... robbed the farm & got disturbed by carl who he knew would have recognised him so shot him in the head at point blank range ... wouldnt spencer have been covered in blood So much blood that he would have had to strip off his uniform & probably get in the bath & bin his clothes & then go back to work .... could spencer have spent the whole morning in the bog as he claimed he did at work because he was worked up about the planned robbery at the farm & it all went terribly wrong when he & possibly the old boy where disturbed One thing thats not clear is why did he take a shotgun from the farm on the evening he shot the old boy in the head .. why did he saw the barrell off ... if he was angry because of the '' special cocktail'' he offered his wife ... why not just shoot him there & then in a fit of rage .... Why didnt his ex wife speak up sooner if she thought he was involved ... spencer had all but paled into insignificance untill he contacted wilson because he has a book to sell Me thinks its all back fired a wee bit ... the end Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boyo 1,398 Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 As already said i think its bit him in the arse & imho i think he's guilty as sin & also the farmer he shot was either in on it or put 2 & 2 together. Horrible bloke !! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 30,372 Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 As already said i think its bit him in the arse & imho i think he's guilty as sin & also the farmer he shot was either in on it or put 2 & 2 together. Horrible bloke !! His own daughter suspected something,but if he keeps schtum he will take it to his grave a free though worryingly disturbed man. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 32,582 Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Well it hasn't for the last 38 years, but i reckon they will re-open the case now. P.S. hang him! when they re open the case make sure you come forward with all the hard facts and concrete evidence you have collected, and you may get your wish, but don't turn up in court with a heavily edited one sided bit of media nonsense sensationalism from the telly, or people might laugh at you and call you a weirdo, due to the contents of that programme and the reaction of people like yourself, the guy will never get an unbiased jury and for that reason will probably not stand trial, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted June 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Well it hasn't for the last 38 years, but i reckon they will re-open the case now. P.S. hang him! when they re open the case make sure you come forward with all the hard facts and concrete evidence you have collected, and you may get your wish, but don't turn up in court with a heavily edited one sided bit of media nonsense sensationalism from the telly, or people might laugh at you and call you a weirdo, due to the contents of that programme and the reaction of people like yourself, the guy will never get an unbiased jury and for that reason will probably not stand trial, The Hunting Life defence brief has spoken. Who rattled your cage? Can't we have opinions now? Hang him! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 10,014 Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 I watched it last night & tbh I Thought that Wilson choreographed the whole thing... the big thing for me was when he took spencer to the old road he & Carl's family lived in.. you could see that Spencer was uncomfortable & he distanced himself from Carl when Wilson asked if Carl had played out on the front with the other kids in the street... spencer said all the kids looked the same & he didnt take any notice of them . which is fair enough .. if i was asked to identify next doors kid in a group of other kids the same sex & age I would struggle because I dont take any notice of them . MY theroy is that Wilson knew Spencer would gravitate towards the one person who he knew was an Allie at the time & gave him his alibi.. the secretary ... so low & behold he goes & requests a stop off at her home. But the old dear was lead by Wilson when he asked if she was sure if Bert hadnt gone out for lunch.... ffs she must have been if she was a day ... I dont think the police will re open the case unless theres some forescics that proove beond a doubt that spencer killed the lad I dont think spencers the killer i do think he was at the farm with the old boy who he killed a year later robbing the place & the old boy shot carl , i know that some of you shotgun lads will put me right , but if bert had sneeked out of work early afternoon ... robbed the farm & got disturbed by carl who he knew would have recognised him so shot him in the head at point blank range ... wouldnt spencer have been covered in blood So much blood that he would have had to strip off his uniform & probably get in the bath & bin his clothes & then go back to work .... could spencer have spent the whole morning in the bog as he claimed he did at work because he was worked up about the planned robbery at the farm & it all went terribly wrong when he & possibly the old boy where disturbed One thing thats not clear is why did he take a shotgun from the farm on the evening he shot the old boy in the head .. why did he saw the barrell off ... if he was angry because of the '' special cocktail'' he offered his wife ... why not just shoot him there & then in a fit of rage .... Why didnt his ex wife speak up sooner if she thought he was involved ... spencer had all but paled into insignificance untill he contacted wilson because he has a book to sell Me thinks its all back fired a wee bit ... the end well watched it, and everything points to spencer , his car, his uniform , he knew carl , he killed before with shotgun . the only thing that baffles me is the other 4 were they there on the same day in the house, or were they never there, and only roped in because they were known criminals around that area .?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nicepix 5,650 Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 I watched it last night & tbh I Thought that Wilson choreographed the whole thing... the big thing for me was when he took spencer to the old road he & Carl's family lived in.. you could see that Spencer was uncomfortable & he distanced himself from Carl when Wilson asked if Carl had played out on the front with the other kids in the street... spencer said all the kids looked the same & he didnt take any notice of them . which is fair enough .. if i was asked to identify next doors kid in a group of other kids the same sex & age I would struggle because I dont take any notice of them . MY theroy is that Wilson knew Spencer would gravitate towards the one person who he knew was an Allie at the time & gave him his alibi.. the secretary ... so low & behold he goes & requests a stop off at her home. But the old dear was lead by Wilson when he asked if she was sure if Bert hadnt gone out for lunch.... ffs she must have been if she was a day ... I dont think the police will re open the case unless theres some forescics that proove beond a doubt that spencer killed the lad I dont think spencers the killer i do think he was at the farm with the old boy who he killed a year later robbing the place & the old boy shot carl , i know that some of you shotgun lads will put me right , but if bert had sneeked out of work early afternoon ... robbed the farm & got disturbed by carl who he knew would have recognised him so shot him in the head at point blank range ... wouldnt spencer have been covered in blood So much blood that he would have had to strip off his uniform & probably get in the bath & bin his clothes & then go back to work .... could spencer have spent the whole morning in the bog as he claimed he did at work because he was worked up about the planned robbery at the farm & it all went terribly wrong when he & possibly the old boy where disturbed One thing thats not clear is why did he take a shotgun from the farm on the evening he shot the old boy in the head .. why did he saw the barrell off ... if he was angry because of the '' special cocktail'' he offered his wife ... why not just shoot him there & then in a fit of rage .... Why didnt his ex wife speak up sooner if she thought he was involved ... spencer had all but paled into insignificance untill he contacted wilson because he has a book to sell Me thinks its all back fired a wee bit ... the end well watched it, and everything points to spencer , his car, his uniform , he knew carl , he killed before with shotgun . the only thing that baffles me is the other 4 were they there on the same day in the house, or were they never there, and only roped in because they were known criminals around that area .?? That's what used to happen before the Police and Criminal Evidence Act came out. Police could lock anyone up for three days without telling anyone, solicitors, family, nobody. They could do what they liked back then. They would round up known criminals and fudge the evidence to suit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 32,582 Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 I watched it last night & tbh I Thought that Wilson choreographed the whole thing... the big thing for me was when he took spencer to the old road he & Carl's family lived in.. you could see that Spencer was uncomfortable & he distanced himself from Carl when Wilson asked if Carl had played out on the front with the other kids in the street... spencer said all the kids looked the same & he didnt take any notice of them . which is fair enough .. if i was asked to identify next doors kid in a group of other kids the same sex & age I would struggle because I dont take any notice of them . MY theroy is that Wilson knew Spencer would gravitate towards the one person who he knew was an Allie at the time & gave him his alibi.. the secretary ... so low & behold he goes & requests a stop off at her home. But the old dear was lead by Wilson when he asked if she was sure if Bert hadnt gone out for lunch.... ffs she must have been if she was a day ... I dont think the police will re open the case unless theres some forescics that proove beond a doubt that spencer killed the lad I dont think spencers the killer i do think he was at the farm with the old boy who he killed a year later robbing the place & the old boy shot carl , i know that some of you shotgun lads will put me right , but if bert had sneeked out of work early afternoon ... robbed the farm & got disturbed by carl who he knew would have recognised him so shot him in the head at point blank range ... wouldnt spencer have been covered in blood So much blood that he would have had to strip off his uniform & probably get in the bath & bin his clothes & then go back to work .... could spencer have spent the whole morning in the bog as he claimed he did at work because he was worked up about the planned robbery at the farm & it all went terribly wrong when he & possibly the old boy where disturbed One thing thats not clear is why did he take a shotgun from the farm on the evening he shot the old boy in the head .. why did he saw the barrell off ... if he was angry because of the '' special cocktail'' he offered his wife ... why not just shoot him there & then in a fit of rage .... Why didnt his ex wife speak up sooner if she thought he was involved ... spencer had all but paled into insignificance untill he contacted wilson because he has a book to sell Me thinks its all back fired a wee bit ... the end well watched it, and everything points to spencer , his car, his uniform , he knew carl , he killed before with shotgun . the only thing that baffles me is the other 4 were they there on the same day in the house, or were they never there, and only roped in because they were known criminals around that area .??. I believe they were nicked robbing a farmhouse near the one the boy was killed in,in very simular circumstances a short while after the murder, the police made up a false statement from one of the four, blaming the others for the killing, when they showed the others the statement they all pointed the finger at each other, and that was why they were convicted, I don't think they were the sharpest bunch and easily fitted up, a bit like Barry George the Jill dando fall guy, 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 10,014 Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 I watched it last night & tbh I Thought that Wilson choreographed the whole thing... the big thing for me was when he took spencer to the old road he & Carl's family lived in.. you could see that Spencer was uncomfortable & he distanced himself from Carl when Wilson asked if Carl had played out on the front with the other kids in the street... spencer said all the kids looked the same & he didnt take any notice of them . which is fair enough .. if i was asked to identify next doors kid in a group of other kids the same sex & age I would struggle because I dont take any notice of them . MY theroy is that Wilson knew Spencer would gravitate towards the one person who he knew was an Allie at the time & gave him his alibi.. the secretary ... so low & behold he goes & requests a stop off at her home. But the old dear was lead by Wilson when he asked if she was sure if Bert hadnt gone out for lunch.... ffs she must have been if she was a day ... I dont think the police will re open the case unless theres some forescics that proove beond a doubt that spencer killed the lad I dont think spencers the killer i do think he was at the farm with the old boy who he killed a year later robbing the place & the old boy shot carl , i know that some of you shotgun lads will put me right , but if bert had sneeked out of work early afternoon ... robbed the farm & got disturbed by carl who he knew would have recognised him so shot him in the head at point blank range ... wouldnt spencer have been covered in blood So much blood that he would have had to strip off his uniform & probably get in the bath & bin his clothes & then go back to work .... could spencer have spent the whole morning in the bog as he claimed he did at work because he was worked up about the planned robbery at the farm & it all went terribly wrong when he & possibly the old boy where disturbed One thing thats not clear is why did he take a shotgun from the farm on the evening he shot the old boy in the head .. why did he saw the barrell off ... if he was angry because of the '' special cocktail'' he offered his wife ... why not just shoot him there & then in a fit of rage .... Why didnt his ex wife speak up sooner if she thought he was involved ... spencer had all but paled into insignificance untill he contacted wilson because he has a book to sell Me thinks its all back fired a wee bit ... the end well watched it, and everything points to spencer , his car, his uniform , he knew carl , he killed before with shotgun . the only thing that baffles me is the other 4 were they there on the same day in the house, or were they never there, and only roped in because they were known criminals around that area .??. I believe they were nicked robbing a farmhouse near the one the boy was killed in,in very simular circumstances a short while after the murder, the police made up a false statement from one of the four, blaming the others for the killing, when they showed the others the statement they all pointed the finger at each other, and that was why they were convicted, I don't think they were the sharpest bunch and easily fitted up, a bit like Barry George the Jill dando fall guy, thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 30,372 Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 Todays papers report plod are taking renewed interest in the case (which probably means one of them watched the program and mentioned in in the nick canteen to his mates). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rabbit Hunter 6,613 Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 I watched it last night. Hes a very strange man. I reckon him and the old boy he shot were robbing the farm when the young lad was shot, and he shot the old boy afterwards as he was afraid of him blabbing. How on earth he got away with it is beyond me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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