king 12,029 Posted December 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 If you start using it, you will see an improvement, but only when used with other vitamins, a proper working diet and the right amount of exercise. In other words will improve an athlete but will do f##k all for a couch potato I've read up on loading the creatine first sl but that was for humans.What would be the amounts you would recommend Creatine and vitamins and what vitamins for say a 70 lb bull X to see improvement. Cheers King. if it's a bull x put it on some sus n decaNo none of that crap Quote Link to post
paulsmithy83 567 Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 If dogs could talk then yes be worth it but it is a very well documented supp that yes does work but its also well documemted of the sife effects. Suffered myself on the stuff. The cramps are worste then any other cramp i ever had. How far are we willing to go ????? If you cant get a lurcher fit enough without it i'd be taking a good long hard look at self. Grey owners dabble withit but ask them they will tell you themselves some cramp after a race on it. And most only run up to about 500 yrds once. Great if you win the race. And earn a mint off it lol Next we will be jabbing our muts with test and decca next lmao as these will get you improvements also but are they moral as a lurcher man who out for love of the hunt/catch and beinh at one with country side ?????? Stick to good old graft and diet and not look for quick fixes 6 Quote Link to post
paulsmithy83 567 Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 If you start using it, you will see an improvement, but only when used with other vitamins, a proper working diet and the right amount of exercise. In other words will improve an athlete but will do f##k all for a couch potato I've read up on loading the creatine first sl but that was for humans.What would be the amounts you would recommend Creatine and vitamins and what vitamins for say a 70 lb bull X to see improvement. Cheers King. if it's a bull x put it on some sus n decaBeat me to it haha Quote Link to post
Stud dog 632 Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Ill stick with the way I do things road work mooching an lamping ferreting dog always seems to do well most of time unless your running some super bunnys then whats wrong with the way thing are an have been done for some time Quote Link to post
TAXI DRIVER 549 Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Creatine is used to prolong exercise and spent build muscle it just helps you train longer ... It is in fish and meat so if your dog gets fed this then there is no point adding to the dogs diet .. Side effects include dehydration muscle cramps and gut ache ... So giving a dog that's working hard creatine for him to work harder plus getting the above side effects don't make sense to me ..... You`re right..Also to get the benefits from creatine you need to force the water into you.Dogs could never drink more than they want so would end up cramping if worked reasonably hard. Quote Link to post
king 12,029 Posted December 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 I let the dogs free run for at least 2 maybe 3 hrs a day up the mountain and any supplement to benefit the dogs I'm interested in but seems like mixed reviews on using creatine for dogs. Quote Link to post
spanna 406 Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 no good mine get a good dry mix (gain 28), mixed with beef,chicken mince, fish and veg and a table spoon of honey and a calcium tablet per dog everyday. plenty of mooching about and road work in between coursing, mine look like there chiselled from stone and are running blob on. don't listen to all the shite people say you should be giving them a good diet and plenty of exercise and graft you cant go wrong.but never forget a rest is has good has exercise so don't over do them,especially when they are getting some stick working has they should be this time of year 2 Quote Link to post
dogmad riley 1,348 Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 If you start using it, you will see an improvement, but only when used with other vitamins, a proper working diet and the right amount of exercise. In other words will improve an athlete but will do f##k all for a couch potato I've read up on loading the creatine first sl but that was for humans.What would be the amounts you would recommend Creatine and vitamins and what vitamins for say a 70 lb bull X to see improvement. Cheers King. if it's a bull x put it on some sus n deca Can't do that, they won't be able to turn litter after litter out due to the stud having deca dick ?? Quote Link to post
dogmad riley 1,348 Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Leave creatine to human athletes, and just enjoy your lurcher as a hunting companion. Feed it naturally, good quality grub and it will catch. Quote Link to post
socks 32,253 Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Some reading from a vet site ........ There is an ongoing debate amongst health experts on the question, "Is creatine safe?" This debate is tied in with the use of steroids and other muscle and size enhancing drugs. Creatine is different from these other drugs because of its origins; it is a natural amino acid that is built up in the body through normal processes. It is also built up in your dog's body. However, there is little reason to use creatine for your dog. While studies are still inconclusive as to whether or not creatine is safe for your pet, it is best to avoid using this supplement on dogs. It will not benefit them in any great and necessary way, and it is only putting them at risk of potential adverse reactions. Creatine Overview Creatine is a type of supplement that is built in the liver. It is a combination of several other types of amino acids, and it's found in both fish and red meat. Because a dog's diet typically consists of either or both of these two food sources, it's not uncommon for a pet to ingest creatine anyway. Creatine is a supplement that helps your body (and your dog's body) to create a chemical fuel called ATP. ATP assists muscles in working for a longer period of time, which allows body builders, athletes and others to continue to train for longer periods of time. The creatine itself doesn't build any sort of muscle mass; it simply extends the duration of time that one can exercise, allowing for greater exercise and, therefore, greater muscle building potential. Creatine and Dogs Dogs are simply not set up to benefit from creatine use. Even if a dog had the potential to extend his exercise capabilities, the idea of weight training of this type with a dog is ridiculous in most cases. A dog will simply continue to run, play and exercise until he is tired anyway. Creatine use may even put him in danger; dogs are notoriously bad at gauging their own exhaustion levels, and have been known to continue to be active until they reach a point of collapse. With creatine, it's even more difficult for your dog to determine when he should stop being active. Long term studies on the effects of creatine in pets do not yet exist. However, this supplement has been know to cause a number of side effects in humans which may be similar to those in dogs. They include: Muscle spasms and cramps Pulled muscles and other injuries Gastrointestinal upset Dehydration Ultimately, there is very little reason to give your pet creatine. If you provide him with a full diet of the foods that will provide nutrients to him and any additional supplements as recommended by your vet, plus you give him adequate exercise opportunities, he'll be as happy and healthy as possible. Creatine will not aid in this in any real manner. 1 Quote Link to post
king 12,029 Posted December 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 Interesting read that.. Quote Link to post
mhopton 807 Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 I don't think that giving dogs anything like that makes sense to me for any resin regardless who's dog it its !! It just doesn't make sense the dog is what it is and with out having a full blown conversation with it you would just be putting it at risk , couple of weeks and it's not going to become a super dog and run like the wind and kill every thing it sees is it , just be happy with the dog praise and respect it show it you will look after it and it will do its upmost to do what you want if that's not enough then you shouldn't have dogs 4 Quote Link to post
roybo 2,873 Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 .used it myself when I used to train ...harsh on the kidneys ,cramps ,dehydration,etc etc And other than building muscle ,which a lurcher doesn't need,I can't see the benefits, Unless it's to push a dog past it's normal levels of work ,which will end in tears 1 Quote Link to post
Dame92 387 Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 If you start using it, you will see an improvement, but only when used with other vitamins, a proper working diet and the right amount of exercise. In other words will improve an athlete but will do f##k all for a couch potato I've read up on loading the creatine first sl but that was for humans.What would be the amounts you would recommend Creatine and vitamins and what vitamins for say a 70 lb bull X to see improvement. Cheers King. if it's a bull x put it on some sus n decaWhat if it got roid rage ??? Quote Link to post
slip lead 862 Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) I wound not use Creatine, but have used white-E and see the improvements. I've tried to download a pdf on White-E but it's to large for this site. If you Google white-E for greyhounds they will describe full the benefits, much better than me. It's something most greyhound trainer use, and then tight f####rs don't waist money on stuff that don't work Edited December 17, 2015 by slip lead 1 Quote Link to post
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