bird 9,610 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 after reading the worst lurcher post, and few lads have said that the amount dogs that (don't) like to tackle foxes more so once they been bitten by old Charlie lol, got me thinking regards dogs(lurchers). when you think about a fox is feck all compared to your average lurcher, foxes from 12-20lb and say mid size lurcher 35-70lb , a dog should deal with them no prob, and continue to do so there after . But they don't do they, even little 14lb terriers will give a better do with them. lol some dogs have what called( strong self preservation ) in them, maybe it stronger lurchers than terriers, we all know some xs of lurchers pit,wheaten,staff will wed to the fox job no prob, but even them after a while,will have enough of old Charlie nipping them. maybe some dogs give to much respect foxes, and we as humans don't have to physically deal with them so we dont . just a thought , trying to understand why some dogs are so wary of a little animal like a fox, could understand if it was a 35lb yote or a 10st timber wolf fair enough , but a little 16lb fox , logically cant understand why .!! but its all pre ban anyway, just a thought 1 Quote Link to post
foxbolter 447 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 Is it sometimes the dogs are not fit and after chase they blowing from they arse it will be a lot harder to kill then . And some dogs just make hard work of it and in the end they don't want it and dont put it all in at the final end were the fox should be caught and most will say that the dog missed it but really if you look hard you will see they don't want it I wouldn't keep one but many do they must be hungry to kill at all times 1 Quote Link to post
blackmaggie 3,375 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 having been on the receiving end of old charlie i can see why some dogs dont want it when getting bit trust me ray it fecking hurts and not just for a few minutes either my hand swelled up straight away and throbbed for a day or two so with that in mind i have the upmost respect for those dogs whos job it was to run them regular just happy memorys now im afraid ray 2 Quote Link to post
Neal 1,826 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 Not from personal experience at all as I've only ever killed one fox with a lurcher but I've always thought the same i.e. odd that so many lurchers won't take fox whereas so many terriers will. I read somewhere recently (I think it was in "In Defence of Dogs") that dogs have little appreciation of size differences, which is why you get so many huge dogs running away from gobby/gassy little things (little man syndrome). Apparently they simply don't realise they're smaller...not sure how much I believe that. Maybe, by combining the two, you get the answer, i.e. it's all in the mind; partly hard-wired and partly from experiences. Quote Link to post
Qbgrey 3,991 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 Foxes are not be underestimated. They are cat like lightning fast on the first bite.strong jaws very sharp teeth.we do fox for farmers all the time.had12 this week in amongst the new born lambs.all shot first 2 Quote Link to post
trigger2 3,108 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 strange things dogs you cant tell what they will do by looking at them. seen dogs you would never expect tackle foxes and dogs you think will deffinatly do them not touch them. i think you underestimate the old fox a little bird. one dog one fox was great sport on the lamp preban especially once mister fox new the crack and realised there was a dog up his arse. seen some tough foxes in my time. 1 Quote Link to post
marshman 7,756 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 A mate of mine had a little terrier bitch that could Finnish the job in quick time and I mean quick, she just had the knack without taking to much herself . in saying that I've seen many terriers start out hard and try and trade with their foes so to speak and eventually spew. I also had a saluki lurcher that had the knack of killing without taking hardly any stick and it was over almost instantly . And again I've seen loads of lurchers that seem hard and again bulk . Now from my own expirences there's not many dogs that have the intelligence coupled with heart and determination to Finnish the job without getting hurt be they large strong lurcher or tiny little terrier. Have got to say though I do think that a lurcher should do the job size wise , as its on paper a complete miss match . Quote Link to post
Grunter123 1,093 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 You must have the wrong dogs for the job, and I have seen lurchers what you call cleaver and don't take a lot pain work, but these dog are looking for the right time and place to take the fox which can end up with the dog missing its quarry in stead of steaming in and sizing its fox, heart not in job 1 Quote Link to post
marshman 7,756 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 You must have the wrong dogs for the job, and I have seen lurchers what you call cleaver and don't take a lot pain work, but these dog are looking for the right time and place to take the fox which can end up with the dog missing its quarry in stead of steaming in and sizing its fox, heart not in job sorry mate but do you mean me I must have the wrong dogs for the job ? Quote Link to post
malc1 544 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 I've seen some good dogs on the old Charlie and I've seen the same dogs hang back and not take them and when they hang back is if they are sore or not 100% fit old Charlie is a dam good challenge for a dog its like coursing a hare that bites back when caught 1 Quote Link to post
Grunter123 1,093 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 You must have the wrong dogs for the job, and I have seen lurchers what you call cleaver and don't take a lot pain work, but these dog are looking for the right time and place to take the fox which can end up with the dog missing its quarry in stead of steaming in and sizing its fox, heart not in job sorry mate but do you mean me I must have the wrong dogs for the job ?No mate I mean the dog that are been disused if your dog Fock and fannies about to take its fox in the right place its likely to miss some foxes, by doing so seen it imo 2 Quote Link to post
marshman 7,756 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 You must have the wrong dogs for the job, and I have seen lurchers what you call cleaver and don't take a lot pain work, but these dog are looking for the right time and place to take the fox which can end up with the dog missing its quarry in stead of steaming in and sizing its fox, heart not in job sorry mate but do you mean me I must have the wrong dogs for the job ?No mate I mean the dog that are been disused if your dog Fock and fannies about to take its fox in the right place its likely to miss some foxes, by doing so seen it imo ? Quote Link to post
Grunter123 1,093 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 Mac1 hit the nail on the head hanging back to take its fox,right there for missing its fox , and Imo a second rate fox dog or for a better word a jacker in the making 2 Quote Link to post
jamie_rob 215 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 I prefered the tackle and tumble and a good dog won't let go or it'll just swiftly move it's position rather than picking it's spot 2 Quote Link to post
foxbolter 447 Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 A good fox dog will kill itself trying to catch a fox the ones that wait for the opportunity will miss more than caught especially on hills and small fields bit of brain but plenty of heart 1 Quote Link to post
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