bird 9,594 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 one thing always I find strange , is all the shoots know there going to loose birds to vermin, foxes, b.o.p and weather, so why don't they (get enough) birds in the 1st place, to cover any loses . there already covered by the law to control foxes , so keepers do this already , so if birds of prey are taking few , so what ! put more birds start of the season 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 one thing always I find strange , is all the shoots know there going to loose birds to vermin, foxes, b.o.p and weather, so why don't they (get enough) birds in the 1st place, to cover any loses . there already covered by the law to control foxes , so keepers do this already , so if birds of prey are taking few , so what ! put more birds start of the season Why should they mate? Why are you allowed to control certain types of vermin and some not..? Doesn't make sense. How many birds do you reckon BOPs account for? How many do they scare and scatter to be picked up by other vermin? A simple cull period on certain types of BOP and some should be on the vermin list and you should be allowed to control there numbers. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ragumup Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Bird, I would imagine B.O.P take far more than a few and terrorise poults, keeping them away from feeders/drinkers increases stress levels causing disease etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gamerooster 1,179 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 I have helped out on shoots where buzzards have took 3-4 pouts a day, so why should shoots put more birds down? To provide more food for the buzzards to have a better nesting/ rearing year, for the problem to be worse next year? Looked what happened with badgers? The same for Cormorants. ...... Every predator needs controlling, not exterminated, just managed 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,594 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 one thing always I find strange , is all the shoots know there going to loose birds to vermin, foxes, b.o.p and weather, so why don't they (get enough) birds in the 1st place, to cover any loses . there already covered by the law to control foxes , so keepers do this already , so if birds of prey are taking few , so what ! put more birds start of the season Why should they mate? Why are you allowed to control certain types of vermin and some not..? Doesn't make sense. How many birds do you reckon BOPs account for? How many do they scare and scatter to be picked up by other vermin? A simple cull period on certain types of BOP and some should be on the vermin list and you should be allowed to control there numbers. ok Lab, I can see where you coming from with control over (all) but certain types of B O P are on in danger list not many left. yeh control BO P but only if there not on the list . the want start on bloody buzzards 1st, there loads of the things, they take lot of poults every year mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alimac2 321 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 I was next door to him for 8 seasons. A f***ing good lad he is too, surprised if he even had a speeding ticket before this & now he's a criminal, locked up with the junkies & muggers.. A real shame.. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,594 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 I have helped out on shoots where buzzards have took 3-4 pouts a day, so why should shoots put more birds down? To provide more food for the buzzards to have a better nesting/ rearing year, for the problem to be worse next year? Looked what happened with badgers? The same for Cormorants. ...... Every predator needs controlling, not exterminated, just managed true , Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,216 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 You would be horrified by the amount of damage birds of prey can do. Many keepers are stuck between a rock and a hard place. And when they get caught they have to take the fall for what is often a 'company policy'. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,639 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) By artificially increasing the density of prey species in a given area the predators will naturally increase too, it's simple ecology. Controlling the predator populations to levels that existed in the absence of game shooting surely seems reasonable. Predators thrive on shooting estates for one reason, without the shooting there would be much lower predator numbers. Controlling them is beneficial for all and as natural an act as killing for food. I don't see why estates should have to budget for more and more poults every year to accommodate a spiralling predator population that is neither controlled by a higher predator (man) or by its prey population (more birds put down specifically for them). Edited January 13, 2015 by Born Hunter 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lanesra 3,961 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Putting Down Pheasants Has & Will Always Attract Predators Which Then Need Managed , But Any Unbalance To Nature Is Created By The Shoot !! This Bloke Must Of Knew The Score Concerning These Birds . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gamerooster 1,179 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 Yet wildlife is at its most plentiful on estates managed for shooting, fact!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
perthshire keeper 1,237 Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 one thing always I find strange , is all the shoots know there going to loose birds to vermin, foxes, b.o.p and weather, so why don't they (get enough) birds in the 1st place, to cover any loses . there already covered by the law to control foxes , so keepers do this already , so if birds of prey are taking few , so what ! put more birds start of the season speaking from experiences, their is VERY VERY Few things that will ruin a drive or drives or even clear birds from a large area of land like a gos.... like all birds of prey its never so much the killing of the birds that is the problme thou it can be! its the scare factor. even seen a cover of partriges look up a plane passing thousands of feet over head? or run for cover at the same thing...how is a bird with such a inbuilt fear of flying things going to handle being mobbed and "buzzed" by something as well adapted to killing as a gos 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lanesra 3,961 Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 Yet wildlife is at its most plentiful on estates managed for shooting, fact!!! That Is Common Sense As The Food Chain Is Unbalanced By The Introduction Of Birds Which Increases The Predator Population . . Something You Moan About In Your 1st Post "Why Put Down More Birds For The Problem To Be Worse Next Year" . . Problem In 1 Post Yet Plentiful In Another !! This Man Was Caught Bang To Rights Killing Gos Hawks & He Knew The Score If Caught !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gamerooster 1,179 Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 Did i state that? What about small bird species, small mammals etc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lanesra 3,961 Posted January 14, 2015 Report Share Posted January 14, 2015 Lol Yes You Did . . And Yes Small Birds & Mammals Do Benefit But Were Talking About Bop Aren't We ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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