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I'm a midget and own a deerhound so I'm at a disadvantage

Lads it's not rocket science,,,just let the dog off the slip,,,,and try it,,,it's not majic.......

Much easier and more of a pleasure if you can work the dog off the lead ........

A few facts about training a dog to work off the lead. It takes time, and there will be accidents along the way. Over the years I have found it better to ignore the accidents and concentrate on the positives. I would not try and presume to try and tell you how to train your dogs, other than to say dogs pick up things quicker than you think.

 

If you have never worked a dog off a slip before, you would not believe how much more pleasurable it is, no faffing around at gates or fences, both hands free, plus the added bonus that the dogs get to learn that when they are on the lead everything is out of bounds. The list of the benefits is endless.

 

TC.

i can appreciate that TC . just something i've never considered doing before.

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Is the lamp on continuos like? Lamp on quick scan, general direction with dog in vicinity, get to position, lamp on, quick hiss, dog knows it's game on and it's on? No?

 

That's exactly how I would imagine it to be in an ideal world. I'm just curious as to what happens when things don't go like clockwork, ie 2 rabbits seen, one a much better prospect than the other but dog takes off after the 'wrong' one. Or dog runs something that, for whatever reason, you don't really want it to run. Just flick the beam off? Or let things take their course?

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Is the lamp on continuos like? Lamp on quick scan, general direction with dog in vicinity, get to position, lamp on, quick hiss, dog knows it's game on and it's on? No?

 

That's exactly how I would imagine it to be in an ideal world. I'm just curious as to what happens when things don't go like clockwork, ie 2 rabbits seen, one a much better prospect than the other but dog takes off after the 'wrong' one. Or dog runs something that, for whatever reason, you don't really want it to run. Just flick the beam off? Or let things take their course?

The scenarios you have quoted very rarely happen mate ... The dog has no idea you are putting the lamp on and by the time you have flicked it on and had a quick scan around the dog hasn't had time to focus on the beam and home in on what you have seen ... Obviously the type of lamper that takes ages looking around a field will be more susceptible to what you are mentioning but on the whole as I stated the beam is on swept the field you have clocked what you need to and the dog is none the wiser ........

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Is the lamp on continuos like? Lamp on quick scan, general direction with dog in vicinity, get to position, lamp on, quick hiss, dog knows it's game on and it's on? No?

That's exactly how I would imagine it to be in an ideal world. I'm just curious as to what happens when things don't go like clockwork, ie 2 rabbits seen, one a much better prospect than the other but dog takes off after the 'wrong' one. Or dog runs something that, for whatever reason, you don't really want it to run. Just flick the beam off? Or let things take their course?

The scenarios you have quoted very rarely happen mate ... The dog has no idea you are putting the lamp on and by the time you have flicked it on and had a quick scan around the dog hasn't had time to focus on the beam and home in on what you have seen ... Obviously the type of lamper that takes ages looking around a field will be more susceptible to what you are mentioning but on the whole as I stated the beam is on swept the field you have clocked what you need to and the dog is none the wiser ........

if a dogs well trained on the lamp,on a slip lead or not,surely it's going to have an idea that the lamp is on,where ever I put the lamp all my dogs heads are looking right down that beam.but as I say we all lamp different.some peoples dogs must be sniffing the floor or looking in other directions not to see a lamp on ..

Of course they see the lamp go on but if you have been lamping long enough you can scan a field and see what's there before the dog can focus on anything to chase .... Its simples really .......

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Is the lamp on continuos like? Lamp on quick scan, general direction with dog in vicinity, get to position, lamp on, quick hiss, dog knows it's game on and it's on? No?

That's exactly how I would imagine it to be in an ideal world. I'm just curious as to what happens when things don't go like clockwork, ie 2 rabbits seen, one a much better prospect than the other but dog takes off after the 'wrong' one. Or dog runs something that, for whatever reason, you don't really want it to run. Just flick the beam off? Or let things take their course?

The scenarios you have quoted very rarely happen mate ... The dog has no idea you are putting the lamp on and by the time you have flicked it on and had a quick scan around the dog hasn't had time to focus on the beam and home in on what you have seen ... Obviously the type of lamper that takes ages looking around a field will be more susceptible to what you are mentioning but on the whole as I stated the beam is on swept the field you have clocked what you need to and the dog is none the wiser ........

if a dogs well trained on the lamp,on a slip lead or not,surely it's going to have an idea that the lamp is on,where ever I put the lamp all my dogs heads are looking right down that beam.but as I say we all lamp different.some peoples dogs must be sniffing the floor or looking in other directions not to see a lamp on ..

Of course they see the lamp go on but if you have been lamping long enough you can scan a field and see what's there before the dog can focus on anything to chase .... Its simples really .......

that depends on how big the fields are and how good youre lamp is its allrighr if youre on a little rabbit field
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It makes no difference ... If your in a massive field with a million candle power lamp you still only lamp out as far as your happy to slip the dog ... If you scan further out than your intending to slip all your doing is potentially spooking whatever you light up .......

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Just in from a walkabout where I tried without a slip for the first time. Definitely much less hassle without a slip. But I don't think it was quite as productive. No way to be certain but there were a few runs where I think if I'd had the dog on a slip I could have got him into a better position. But I'll certainly persevere with it as it was a more enjoyable way to lamp.

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since the first post on this topic i've been walking the dog off the lead to heel. 4 days and he's got it nailed. never tried before as its something i've never thought of before. his recall and obedience is good and he learns fast ( faster than me, he's a collie x). maybe i'll be lamping without a slip shortly

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Fair play lads for giving it a bash both ways can be beneficial, you could always try both? Have a slip in pocket and if you think that you could benefit a run by putting on the slip then why not? :thumbs:

 

Good point Ross - sounds like the perfect compromise (for me, anyhow)

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Fair play lads for giving it a bash both ways can be beneficial, you could always try both? Have a slip in pocket and if you think that you could benefit a run by putting on the slip then why not? :thumbs:

 

 

maybe use slack slip and some sort of verbal noise to tell the dog to go so its used to only going when told maybe :hmm: to start as well

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