Red stag

[TOMO 24,880]

Round and round it goes. Have we established that yes reds can be taken with dogs, the smaller ones with one very good dog and the bigger with two. Obviously there aint THAT many great dogs about and less cases of the same person/people running two such dogs - hence the very small number of folk doing it? They vary in size so where some pairs of dogs would do one happily - another might blast them away. There's also the day/lamp difference, the second being a world easier. If there is something that is seen as a challenge then usually there are folk who will dedicate their time to overcoming it.

 

My final question would be - to those that have brought down a big one - what did you do with it? Leave it lying there and walk away?

no mate had it for xmas dinner atb ks

 

 

 

Just that to lift the big stags you need a tractor with a front loader or the equivalent, you certainly aint dragging it back to the road and fitting it in your disco!

 

i no there big mate,,, but there not cattle,,,,, i have had 4 fallow does,,, and a fallow stag 3 lads and 3 lurchers all in a mk 2 escort..

 

never taken a red stag,,, but if i did i would move it,, guts out lets get going just hope theres a road close by

[artic 595]

Judging by these.......what is big?

 

Crossing the Dee

 

 

[jimmy100 48]

Judging by these.......what is big?

 

Crossing the Dee

 

 

excellent photos mate :notworthy: but its pretty obvious the deer in the last picture is a young pricket (if reds are called that aswell as fallow???) not a stag id say it would be atleast 6-7 yrs old before it would be classed as a stag the two deer in the top picture would offer 3-4 times the challenge and are massive compared to him the ten pointer might be around the size of a very good fallow buck so maybe possibe with one good dog two good dogs then more than likely the two big boys tho not a chance

Edited March 11, 2011 by jimmy100

[Ideation 8,216]

Round and round it goes. Have we established that yes reds can be taken with dogs, the smaller ones with one very good dog and the bigger with two. Obviously there aint THAT many great dogs about and less cases of the same person/people running two such dogs - hence the very small number of folk doing it? They vary in size so where some pairs of dogs would do one happily - another might blast them away. There's also the day/lamp difference, the second being a world easier. If there is something that is seen as a challenge then usually there are folk who will dedicate their time to overcoming it.

 

My final question would be - to those that have brought down a big one - what did you do with it? Leave it lying there and walk away?

no mate had it for xmas dinner atb ks

 

 

 

Just that to lift the big stags you need a tractor with a front loader or the equivalent, you certainly aint dragging it back to the road and fitting it in your disco!

 

i no there big mate,,, but there not cattle,,,,, i have had 4 fallow does,,, and a fallow stag 3 lads and 3 lurchers all in a mk 2 escort..

 

never taken a red stag,,, but if i did i would move it,, guts out lets get going just hope theres a road close by

 

They fuckers in Mr Artics first photo ARE cattle.

[jimmy100 48]

Round and round it goes. Have we established that yes reds can be taken with dogs, the smaller ones with one very good dog and the bigger with two. Obviously there aint THAT many great dogs about and less cases of the same person/people running two such dogs - hence the very small number of folk doing it? They vary in size so where some pairs of dogs would do one happily - another might blast them away. There's also the day/lamp difference, the second being a world easier. If there is something that is seen as a challenge then usually there are folk who will dedicate their time to overcoming it.

 

My final question would be - to those that have brought down a big one - what did you do with it? Leave it lying there and walk away?

no mate had it for xmas dinner atb ks

 

 

 

Just that to lift the big stags you need a tractor with a front loader or the equivalent, you certainly aint dragging it back to the road and fitting it in your disco!

 

i no there big mate,,, but there not cattle,,,,, i have had 4 fallow does,,, and a fallow stag 3 lads and 3 lurchers all in a mk 2 escort..

 

never taken a red stag,,, but if i did i would move it,, guts out lets get going just hope theres a road close by

 

They fuckers in Mr Artics first photo ARE cattle.

:laugh: look at their back legs, think how a deer defends itself when being chased then think how strong a dogs jaw really is

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

the stag we had went 3 fields jumped hedges with dogs ,they got hoofed many times but see the job thru he was at walking pace when we got their no doubt in any ones mind the end result for him,but put into perspective 8 min 40 secs from the slip to the end job and he was released after a photo shoot,easy part would of been to KILL HIM but eh we proved a point 2 ourselfs he had seen many a dog and they all failed

 

It dont get any clearer than that.

[BITCH 135]

the stag we had went 3 fields jumped hedges with dogs ,they got hoofed many times but see the job thru he was at walking pace when we got their no doubt in any ones mind the end result for him,but put into perspective 8 min 40 secs from the slip to the end job and he was released after a photo shoot,easy part would of been to KILL HIM but eh we proved a point 2 ourselfs he had seen many a dog and they all failed

 

was that the only time you attempted it??

[bunnys 1,228]

bringing everything in to perspective we can see these types are few and far between man and there animals taking heavy deer carcasses removing them requires onlythe time spent to forequarter the beast , obviously even back in the days of preban one had to have a sitter on watch because it has been known for the carcass to be stolen away , i am told the very best animals cut there given objective out from the herd ,asight to behold and only in the very best animals . hitting the reds about the hind quarters his counterproductive he needs takin from the neck and brought to a walking pace enabling the hunter to get the job done . not for the faint hearted the dog needs the trust of a good handler, and of course nothing his run for fun this his hunting for weight of flesh with a lot to lose a spotting herds through ther movement at given times of the yr his and was a part of what was and does go on in parts preban of course j darcy asked the question are these animals one offs i have wittnessed single handled 2that could stop them , but several doubled up more than 2 his a pointless objective in my view.of course like any type of hunting studying the habits the movements and getting to know the herd whats what a kind of stalking comes to mind . atb bunnys .

[johnnie cope 33]

the dogs that drop big deer regular are not hockers no chance of dropping them flat out by the hock... totally diffrent techneik to drop the big boys nothing compares to a red. sike easy stag or does a falloe buck is a handfull for any dog red heinds not to much bother for a good dog but stags single handed no chnace ... doubled up yes ..

[cocker 2,654]

red stag, single handed, no chance,

[fox digger 1,086]

this lad was one i got last year, i shoot deer, where he fell we had to get a tractor and front loader to put him in the trailer, we couldn't move him at all without it so have a tink of your options before ya slip!! have got a few reds since not as big tho and have seen good dogs on em that take the occasional one but not the monsters, and always doubled up!

 

sorry lads, cant seem to upload pics, keeps tellin me they are too big to upload....

Edited March 12, 2011 by fox digger

[watchman 256]

the stag we had went 3 fields jumped hedges with dogs ,they got hoofed many times but see the job thru he was at walking pace when we got their no doubt in any ones mind the end result for him,but put into perspective 8 min 40 secs from the slip to the end job and he was released after a photo shoot,easy part would of been to KILL HIM but eh we proved a point 2 ourselfs he had seen many a dog and they all failed

I bet he's gonna be a rough,tough cookie the next time he see's a dog!

In my youth i loved hearing tales about a red stag in the midlands that wouldn't run from a dog, instead once the lamp hit him he turned and faced the dog(s). To my knowledge no one ever got him, none of the lads i knew anyway and I am sure he killed a dog, or at least badly injured one. I will find out the full story though....

Got to be one of the best threads for a good while that hasn't turned into a slagging match.

Good pre-ban hunting folks....JD

 

was that not a hand reared one that was released into the wild,took the eyes out of a dog ,cant remember exactly,think i read about it in a plumber book

[fox digger 1,086]

got it eventually, i donated and can now put up pics, this lad wud have been sum test as 3 of us couldn't budge it once i shot him.

[J Darcy 5,871]

the stag we had went 3 fields jumped hedges with dogs ,they got hoofed many times but see the job thru he was at walking pace when we got their no doubt in any ones mind the end result for him,but put into perspective 8 min 40 secs from the slip to the end job and he was released after a photo shoot,easy part would of been to KILL HIM but eh we proved a point 2 ourselfs he had seen many a dog and they all failed

I bet he's gonna be a rough,tough cookie the next time he see's a dog!

In my youth i loved hearing tales about a red stag in the midlands that wouldn't run from a dog, instead once the lamp hit him he turned and faced the dog(s). To my knowledge no one ever got him, none of the lads i knew anyway and I am sure he killed a dog, or at least badly injured one. I will find out the full story though....

Got to be one of the best threads for a good while that hasn't turned into a slagging match.

Good pre-ban hunting folks....JD

 

was that not a hand reared one that was released into the wild,took the eyes out of a dog ,cant remember exactly,think i read about it in a plumber book

 

 

Eerrmm...No mate, that Plummer story was a roebuck and i should imagine it was a story from someone else.

The deer i am referingto is a red stag, well, was a red stag,he will be long gone now, but the lads who hunted him are still around. I will have a chat with them as it would make a good read

Judging by the replies, a few lads have had a go at the big fella's I spent 48hours once trying and we failed! On the long journey home my mate and i were just sat giggling with each other at what we had seen and i turned to him and said "I think we need better dogs!"

 

The topic title says red stag single handed, and I do not think anything other than 'one-offs' are possible. Even with two dogs only this is a rare occurance. I simply do not believe that two dogs can do red stags with any degree of regularity, in the wild.

 

 

Bunnys, you mentioned a chap getting 2 years for deer, would you mind me asking you if those were park deer or wild deer ....

 

 

I told this chap he was doomed, he didnt seem worried.

[J Darcy 5,871]

no chance theres a video of 10 dogos and a pitbull on one and the poor f****r is still going when all the dogs are f****d :thumbdown: id post it but its not hunting just mindless cruelty :wallbash:

 

thats the biggest point for me an one thats being missed by most here mate. some dogs i would like to think could do it in the end, but it aint sport, it aint neccessary, and its downright f***ing cruel, not to mention stupid. just hope there arent some young lads on here with big dogs thinking 'i bet ours can'. could all end in tears

well said mate

 

Well in that case, lets not hunt at all. Lets all turn veggy. Because hunting involves cruelty (depending on your definition). Is it cruel when wolves make a kill on a large stag? This is no different! It isnt neccessary to hunt rabbits with dogs, it isnt neccessary to hunt jack all with dogs. The reason we do it is a hell of alot deeper than that, and the reason people will try their dogs on the mightiest quarry in this country is for that same reason.

 

 

well said, iv seen 2 bull x catch and hold a red hind and the same 2 dogs a week later get dragged a long way by a red stag before giving in and taking a seriouse beeting and these dogs were both single handed on fallow bucks and anything with teeth. them red stags are in a league of there own

 

maybe and this is only my take on the matter,maybe the 2 bullcrosses you saw running was not man enough for the job

a pic was put up by dan edwards of 2 bullcrosses taken a red stag in the rut,it was removed.

just because you have not seen it with the dogs you run dont mean it cant be done.

as for running deer in the day jdarcy its not like running a hare on the fens if your caught,

a hare run on the fens if caught is motor lost a ban from driving and a fine,maybe a asbo

running deer is lose of motor a ban from driving a fine prison and loss of your dogs, only a fool would risk running dogs on deer in the day,

when it can be done at night.

and yes jdarcy i have seen it done both day and night,end result dead deer.

 

edited to add

 

i know a couple of lads that got bird and lost dogs for running deer back in the 80s

now days you wouldnt get bail on a deer charge.

and the same lads was all caught running deer in the day.

the shit thing was these lads made a living at lamping deer.

good animals do deer day or night fact........

 

Hey Dread, I was not putting anyones dogs triumphs down, i was just saying that the red is such a big powerful beast, that IMO, there has to be some angle to enable it to be taken thats all. I never mentioned you, your dogs, your red, or anything to do with you or anyone. I was just saying, in general, what my understanding was, from experience. And after everything everyones said, this is still my understanding.

.... Good Hunting.....JD

 

sorry jd i thought you was mugging of lampers,

 

No Probs Dread....Looking forward to getting you on the hill next year.... :kiss: