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Tommy your miles out mate roe deer while lenght and looks count for some of the trophy 75 % are on weight and mass. Red deer while weight counts for a good few points and there is no mass measurement it only counts for less than twenty percet of the points system so there for a good middle aged red will get more points that a head going back the way. Roe deer it matters not what the head looks like to an extent but the weight must be there and that comes with age.. Measured by the CIC and dont know any other way of measuring apartfor the BASC,S OWN SYSTEM AND THAT JUST A CON.