its only my opinion but do you not buy a dog for the purpose you need it for,i bought a plummer because i want to do ratting and at this he excell's and because im not bothered about doing fox,but if i was i would look at the best terrier to do the job and there's probally some plummers that do it well.this is a HUNTING forum and different lads do different types of hunting with different types of dogs.I car'nt see the point in keep going on saying this breed is crap and that breed is crap it does'nt say there all crap.hunt enjoy and share the experience.like the lads have said this has been a