Cheers neal my old man always had labs to a decent standard but he's sadly passed and his bitch is getting on but I never really took much interest in how he trained them other than as like been said he put a lot of time in to them and didn't rush he use to get them of mates when he needed one but none have anything at the min both I went to see gave me advice and are keeping there eyes open but I don't want to keep bothering them because I might need there advice on training methods