Were did I say to heavy I said heavy meaning thick set and I didn't mention speed but seeing as you mention it a 3/4 is as good a rounder as any but can lack wind a half cross is more than a one trick pony but can lose ground on stuff spinning I have seen them take all manner of quarry if you remember back lads starting breeding theses monster things just for size most not fit for purpose or breeding of untested dogs just because like you say they had the blood or doing reverse mating more bull less grey as you say why try and fix things in the 80s / 90s I knew of three very good dogs that w