Rape Gang Enquiry

[WILF 53,588]

1 hour ago, Borr said:

Excellent , but can we please vote reform where it counts....

What’s it count for mate ?…..that’s not me being a sarky f****r, genuinely I want to know what Reform voters think they are getting out of it that’s any different to what we have had 

As far as I can see, and stop me when I’m wrong, you’re getting all the same people that have betrayed you for years, your getting blacks and Muslims in positions of power when the country is suffering from these people, you’re getting a few bits of furniture moved about dressed up as radical change…..genuinely, what exactly is that vote counting for ?

Edited Tuesday at 22:56 by WILF

[TRUEBRIT66 2,558]

6 hours ago, WILF said:

What’s it count for mate ?…..that’s not me being a sarky f****r, genuinely I want to know what Reform voters think they are getting out of it that’s any different to what we have had 

As far as I can see, and stop me when I’m wrong, you’re getting all the same people that have betrayed you for years, your getting blacks and Muslims in positions of power when the country is suffering from these people, you’re getting a few bits of furniture moved about dressed up as radical change…..genuinely, what exactly is that vote counting for ?

I don't think Rupert Lowe has much of a chance at this moment but what he is doing is keeping Reform on their toes and moving their policies back to the right as they were definitely becoming a "centrist" party, the concern is it may split the vote. In an ideal world Reform would be in government and Restore a viable opposition party especially with a Labour/Green/SNP coalition looking more and more likely for the left.

In reality I think 99% of them are shit kants and we are fooked anyway!       

[WILF 53,588]

1 hour ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

I don't think Rupert Lowe has much of a chance at this moment but what he is doing is keeping Reform on their toes and moving their policies back to the right as they were definitely becoming a "centrist" party, the concern is it may split the vote. In an ideal world Reform would be in government and Restore a viable opposition party especially with a Labour/Green/SNP coalition looking more and more likely for the left.

In reality I think 99% of them are shit kants and we are fooked anyway!       

Yes, fair mate, I hear that all the time….but it wasn’t what I asked him.

I asked what it achieves ?

[jukel123 10,590]

27 minutes ago, WILF said:

Yes, fair mate, I hear that all the time….but it wasn’t what I asked him.

I asked what it achieves ?

It achieves the same product, with the same ingredients, but in a 'new' bright packet and a few different sound bytes.

The 'new' product is funded by the same people who funded the last product. And some of the salesmen and women promoting the 'new' product are exactly the same people who have taken us for fools in the past.

Edited Wednesday at 07:57 by jukel123

[TRUEBRIT66 2,558]

57 minutes ago, WILF said:

Yes, fair mate, I hear that all the time….but it wasn’t what I asked him.

I asked what it achieves ?

HOPE and CHANGE ?

No different than if Rupert Lowe got elected as our PM you would hope he kept to his word and there was a  change in which this country was governed, its all soundbites until the fat lady sings.

Unfortunately for every person change has a different meaning.

For a great deal change would be open borders and the fall of the UK for others mass deportations and the rise of the UK. All we can do is vote for who we think are the best option for us as individuals and collectively as a country at the time and hope they keep to their word and subsequently try to keep the ones that we dont feel out of government.  

Its shit when you break it down to simple terms.

[WILF 53,588]

16 minutes ago, TRUEBRIT66 said:

HOPE and CHANGE ?

No different than if Rupert Lowe got elected as our PM you would hope he kept to his word and there was a  change in which this country was governed, its all soundbites until the fat lady sings.

Unfortunately for every person change has a different meaning.

For a great deal change would be open borders and the fall of the UK for others mass deportations and the rise of the UK. All we can do is vote for who we think are the best option for us as individuals and collectively as a country at the time and hope they keep to their word and subsequently try to keep the ones that we dont feel out of government.  

Its shit when you break it down to simple terms.

Totally get that and I’m sure that’s what every other lad here hopes and believes too……

But…..didn’t we already make this bollocks up ?…..

Remember when people were sick of Blair and Brown and voted Cameron thinking “This is it, we will end all that”…..and what happened ?

We got bigger and more of the same with from many of the same people who are now asking you to put them back in power on a “Reform” ticket ! 
 

We got a governments peppered with Muslims and Blacks…..exactly like “Reform” are now doing

Like, what happened to once bitten twice shy ?……seems to me a vote for Reform now is a vote to just keep what we have ? 
Someone please explain how it isn’t ?

[WILF 53,588]

1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

It achieves the same product, with the same ingredients, but in a 'new' bright packet and a few different sound bytes.

The 'new' product is funded by the same people who funded the last product. And some of the salesmen and women promoting the 'new' product are exactly the same people who have taken us for fools in the past.

That’s exactly what I have come to believe mate

[mackay 3,899]

11 hours ago, WILF said:

What’s it count for mate ?…..that’s not me being a sarky f****r, genuinely I want to know what Reform voters think they are getting out of it that’s any different to what we have had 

As far as I can see, and stop me when I’m wrong, you’re getting all the same people that have betrayed you for years, your getting blacks and Muslims in positions of power when the country is suffering from these people, you’re getting a few bits of furniture moved about dressed up as radical change…..genuinely, what exactly is that vote counting for ?

Everyone has different views or requirements. For me, I genuinely think give reform a chance, one term and if there isn't a marked difference, deportations, leave the echr etc.  If then we find out ( and I agree with you it could well be the case ) they are just another bunch of using shysters then when it kicks off and the country is burning then people can genuinely feel it is justified because we tried the peaceful democratic process. For what it's worth I think the second  scenario is looking more likely by the day.

[WILF 53,588]

23 minutes ago, mackay said:

Everyone has different views or requirements. For me, I genuinely think give reform a chance, one term and if there isn't a marked difference, deportations, leave the echr etc.  If then we find out ( and I agree with you it could well be the case ) they are just another bunch of using shysters then when it kicks off and the country is burning then people can genuinely feel it is justified because we tried the peaceful democratic process. For what it's worth I think the second  scenario is looking more likely by the day.

Again fair, but I think the bit people are missing is we don’t have time to find out…..we will be a minority in our own country in 5 parliaments ! 5 !!! 

[TRUEBRIT66 2,558]

1 hour ago, WILF said:

Totally get that and I’m sure that’s what every other lad here hopes and believes too……

But…..didn’t we already make this bollocks up ?…..

Remember when people were sick of Blair and Brown and voted Cameron thinking “This is it, we will end all that”…..and what happened ?

We got bigger and more of the same with from many of the same people who are now asking you to put them back in power on a “Reform” ticket ! 
 

We got a governments peppered with Muslims and Blacks…..exactly like “Reform” are now doing

Like, what happened to once bitten twice shy ?……seems to me a vote for Reform now is a vote to just keep what we have ? 
Someone please explain how it isn’t ?

Wilf I'm with you mate and prefer Rupert Lowe over Farage any day but heres a couple of points for you.

On your "same ticket" point, you are aware Rupert Lowe was a member of the Conservative party until 1993?

And Zia Yusuf joined Reform in July 2024 as chairman, Rupert Lowe was a reform MP until March 2025 when he was suspended. Rupert Lowe had 9 months to resign in protest at a Muslim becoming the party chairman and nail his flag to the mast but chose to carry on until he was kicked out of the party!  

I want Rupert Lowe to be different but Im starting to think he's actually no different than the rest. 

Edited Wednesday at 10:32 by TRUEBRIT66

[Halfhound 1,439]

In my opinion the only thing Lowe is is a distraction. Big opinions big ideas outlandish social media posts that get clicks and rev people up one way or the other. No chance of ever being in charge. Less chance of ever being let rule anything or enforce any of his outlandish plans reguarding Muslims and social welfare recipients. Divide people and stir them up one way or the other that’s all he will achieve. And the show will continue on love it or hate it. 

[gnasher16 31,975]

2 hours ago, WILF said:

Totally get that and I’m sure that’s what every other lad here hopes and believes too……

But…..didn’t we already make this bollocks up ?…..

Remember when people were sick of Blair and Brown and voted Cameron thinking “This is it, we will end all that”…..and what happened ?

We got bigger and more of the same with from many of the same people who are now asking you to put them back in power on a “Reform” ticket ! 
 

We got a governments peppered with Muslims and Blacks…..exactly like “Reform” are now doing

Like, what happened to once bitten twice shy ?……seems to me a vote for Reform now is a vote to just keep what we have ? 
Someone please explain how it isn’t ?

You're banging your head against a brick wall mate ive totally given up trying to explain what seems like the ABC to people....we'll probably go down the same path as the last time something like this happened.....you have to hand it to the establishment they know how to play people and are 2 steps ahead of many.

[mackay 3,899]

1 hour ago, WILF said:

Again fair, but I think the bit people are missing is we don’t have time to find out…..we will be a minority in our own country in 5 parliaments ! 5 !!! 

So what would you suggest mate ?.  Kick off right now ?.  I'm not being smart, you're not telling me or a lot of other people what we don't already know, so what in your opinion is the solution ?.

[.357shooter 1,549]

There is now only one solution left to us and we all know it.

[mackay 3,899]

8 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

You're banging your head against a brick wall mate ive totally given up trying to explain what seems like the ABC to people....we'll probably go down the same path as the last time something like this happened.....you have to hand it to the establishment they know how to play people and are 2 steps ahead of many.

Indulge me then Gnasher. What do you see as the solution ?. I know what really needs to happen deep down, but its not going to realistically is it.?.  I've actually resigned myself to the fact that they are playing the long game, waiting until all us old farts are gone and the ones coming behind us won't know any different and will be the same shitty coffee colour and be indoctrinated from birth. I don't deep down think reform or restore for that matter will do what needs to be done. I'm open to suggestions.  As an aside and really sounding old, I said to someone just today, we truly had the best of it, we had freedoms and a life that youngsters now could never comprehend.