Rickshaw swami 4,484 Posted 22 hours ago Report Share Posted 22 hours ago I've wasted hundreds of hours studying canine nutrition.It is an obsession.The other day I had an epiphany.If a man could live on an island surrounded be sheep and seafood he could consistently produce superior working canines.Now where would a man find such an island? The British isles have produced more working dogs than anywhere.Could a big key to this success simply be you had access to the perfect nutrition for a working dog? I can't cook but make some decent dog grub.For any of yall who want to toss up a picture of what your feeding.I would appreciate it. Tonight's feed Ground venison,chicken hearts,couple oysters and a cup of orijen for 15 lb terrier 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Franks dad 2,674 Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago No pic as they’ve just ate it … minced chicken , sardines , seaweed, cider apple vinegar, few cooked sprout and half a handful of cooked kale Quote Link to post Share on other sites
downsouth 8,406 Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 12 hours ago, Rickshaw swami said: I've wasted hundreds of hours studying canine nutrition.It is an obsession.The other day I had an epiphany.If a man could live on an island surrounded be sheep and seafood he could consistently produce superior working canines.Now where would a man find such an island? The British isles have produced more working dogs than anywhere.Could a big key to this success simply be you had access to the perfect nutrition for a working dog? I can't cook but make some decent dog grub.For any of yall who want to toss up a picture of what your feeding.I would appreciate it. Tonight's feed Ground venison,chicken hearts,couple oysters and a cup of orijen for 15 lb terrier I think it was more to do with breeding than nutrition as even when I started with working dogs 36years ago most working dogs were being fed a very poor to mediocre diet compared to dogs today. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TOMO 29,493 Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago Got to be honest I think people over complicate feeding.....I look on a few raw feeding groups....and they have bowls full of different things...raw meat raw fish.. eggs.. fruit and a host of other other things vits minerals...oils... It's like there afraid to just feed one thing...its fine to just have raw beef or horse meat....then maybe rabbit or hare or whatever....they don't need a bowl with 10 ingredients... 8 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 51,450 Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago (edited) I have an old collie x spaniel here, we found her on the front door step 10 years ago and she has been with us ever since. Lived free outside that entire time and has eaten literally everything from dog food to all the dinner scraps to dumped dead stock she gos off and finds herself to rats she manages to catch……she is the healthiest dog I have ever seen, literally the definition of a butchers dog, never looses weight, no physical issues, has survived some horrific injury’s like last year when she opened up her whole side on a piece of fence wire so that you could flap it back and see inside her body from shoulders to hips ! Put her in the car, took her to the vet, not a murmur, 3 hours and god knows how many stitches later the vet phones and said I think this dog wants to go home, lifted her and she didn’t want to come inside she just went right back to living outside and was fully recovered in two weeks ! She will lay out in blizzards, rain, cold….not a bother to her at all. All on a diet of anything that comes along and freedom ! Im not suggesting that should be a “go to” way to raise dogs but it makes you think….my in-laws have been through god knows how many dogs in the last 35 years, they feed them the most expensive dry dog food you can buy, let them live indoors in the warm and every single one has died of some ailment or the other while at the same time suffering some catastrophic muscular or joint or vital organ condition…..and I mean all of them ! None of them made old bones ! The current ones they have are living in a diet of medication !…..and that’s been the story of all of them. Edited 8 hours ago by WILF 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waltjnr 8,292 Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, downsouth said: I think it was more to do with breeding than nutrition as even when I started with working dogs 36years ago most working dogs were being fed a very poor to mediocre diet compared to dogs today. Spuds and bread to bulk it out ,the vitalin /chappie lol Edited 8 hours ago by waltjnr 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bendigo 1,406 Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago I've seen packs of hounds look in fine condition and hunt hard on pork pies. I'm not saying they don't need a bit of variety mixed in but as others have said I don't think we need to be obsessed with fruit and veg other stuff. Well bred animals with plenty of exercise seem to do well on anything 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackmag 6,503 Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 2 hours ago, TOMO said: Got to be honest I think people over complicate feeding.....I look on a few raw feeding groups....and they have bowls full of different things...raw meat raw fish.. eggs.. fruit and a host of other other things vits minerals...oils... It's like there afraid to just feed one thing...its fine to just have raw beef or horse meat....then maybe rabbit or hare or whatever....they don't need a bowl with 10 ingredients... Mine are on raw I get lamb tripe salmon beef horse venison all comes in mixed boxes I don't even check itI just chuck in the freezer and pull out what ever comes to hand and add what ever table scraps and feed by eye feed more or less depending on how they look I have seen some weighing it out Quote Link to post Share on other sites
downsouth 8,406 Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 2 hours ago, waltjnr said: Spuds and bread to bulk it out ,the vitalin /chappie lol I remember the bloke I got my first terriers off used to soak chudleys greyhound in a washing up bowl with boiling water let it cool and then feed his dogs the wet mash it turned into and his terriers were as good as any Ive seen.Even at 14/15 I worked out that that weren't good enough and would try feed butchers scraps and leftovers with a greyhound biscuit but even then it took my a few more years to really lurn about canine nutrition 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackmag 6,503 Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 2 minutes ago, downsouth said: I remember the bloke I got my first terriers off used to soak chudleys greyhound in a washing up bowl with boiling water let it cool and then feed his dogs the wet mash it turned into and his terriers were as good as any Ive seen.Even at 14/15 I worked out that that weren't good enough and would try feed butchers scraps and leftovers with a greyhound biscuit but even then it took my a few more years to really lurn about canine nutrition As kid Oldman use to have big pans boiling outside with sheep heads wessels throttles and any bits he could get from work it was my job to watch it when it cooled down it used to have a white crust with jelly on it lurchers and terriers thrived of it topped up with table scraps 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waltjnr 8,292 Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Blackmag said: As kid Oldman use to have big pans boiling outside with sheep heads wessels throttles and any bits he could get from work it was my job to watch it when it cooled down it used to have a white crust with jelly on it lurchers and terriers thrived of it topped up with table scraps Dont sound to bad ,ditchie would if the co-op stock it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TOMO 29,493 Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 2 hours ago, WILF said: I have an old collie x spaniel here, we found her on the front door step 10 years ago and she has been with us ever since. Lived free outside that entire time and has eaten literally everything from dog food to all the dinner scraps to dumped dead stock she gos off and finds herself to rats she manages to catch……she is the healthiest dog I have ever seen, literally the definition of a butchers dog, never looses weight, no physical issues, has survived some horrific injury’s like last year when she opened up her whole side on a piece of fence wire so that you could flap it back and see inside her body from shoulders to hips ! Put her in the car, took her to the vet, not a murmur, 3 hours and god knows how many stitches later the vet phones and said I think this dog wants to go home, lifted her and she didn’t want to come inside she just went right back to living outside and was fully recovered in two weeks ! She will lay out in blizzards, rain, cold….not a bother to her at all. All on a diet of anything that comes along and freedom ! Im not suggesting that should be a “go to” way to raise dogs but it makes you think….my in-laws have been through god knows how many dogs in the last 35 years, they feed them the most expensive dry dog food you can buy, let them live indoors in the warm and every single one has died of some ailment or the other while at the same time suffering some catastrophic muscular or joint or vital organ condition…..and I mean all of them ! None of them made old bones ! The current ones they have are living in a diet of medication !…..and that’s been the story of all of them. Look at the homeless that own dogs...most of the ones I sore around Nottingham looked real healthy.... Many times we would have one begging outside our club at night....and you get some student coming out and say aarr poor dog ...I feel sorry for there dog.....I would say leave off that dogs healthy ....look at it's coat or ....gets walked miles round town every day...and get a well fed....OK some of that might be left over fast food...mackies or kebab...but still in good knick 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fireman 11,520 Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 3 hours ago, TOMO said: Look at the homeless that own dogs...most of the ones I sore around Nottingham looked real healthy.... Many times we would have one begging outside our club at night....and you get some student coming out and say aarr poor dog ...I feel sorry for there dog.....I would say leave off that dogs healthy ....look at it's coat or ....gets walked miles round town every day...and get a well fed....OK some of that might be left over fast food...mackies or kebab...but still in good knick Quick story but i was once begging in Nuneaton for a bit and used to have a very neat and tidy looking nuttal bred patterdale and the amount of dog food i used to get given and treats for the dog u had to give most of it away to be honest and if i'd have let it eat everything offered to it it'd been a fat over weight thing. But one day i went to a cafe to get a cup of tea and left the dog on my pitch with my stuff and some ladies in a mobile newspaper stand offered to look after my dog as well,i ordered my tea and popped back out the cafe about 50 yards away from my dog only to see a group of lads untying it and i ran down to them,they were pissed up giving it it's a starved staffie and if it wasn't for the lasses in the newspaper stand i'd have got nto a punch up, they came out and helped me get my dog back and sort of stop a pile in. The old bill turned up and sorted it out but that was me no longer welcome in that town center and time to move on again.. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 17,611 Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago I find the uk is arguably the greatest producers of both canine , feline and human specimens . for example look at myself , I eat what I want , when I want , exist on a diet of coffee, vapes, press ups and what’s app and I’ll be honest , I’m an absolute machine. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 51,450 Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 12 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said: I find the uk is arguably the greatest producers of both canine , feline and human specimens . for example look at myself , I eat what I want , when I want , exist on a diet of coffee, vapes, press ups and what’s app and I’ll be honest , I’m an absolute machine. Delusional ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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