Trump death penalty

[waltjnr 8,211]

15 minutes ago, scotty12 said:

Just crystal meth 

Think you'd like dmt ,

[THE STIFFMEISTER 17,473]

1 hour ago, scotty12 said:

 

What would you regard as crimes against humanity ? 

Executive order 13818 

open to wild wild interpretation 

[scotty12 4,081]

12 minutes ago, waltjnr said:

Think you'd like dmt ,

Few of my friends have took it mate and had mic reviews lol  when I was younger I would have been head first in about it. 
these days don’t drink smoke or take drugs only high on Christ consciousness 

[jukel123 9,691]

If you were callled for jury service, how many members on here would find a bloke charged in pursuit of game with a lurcher  guilty?

Not many if any.

Juries are not  '12 good men and true'. They come into court with existing beliefs and prejudices.

A jury found OJ Simpson  not guilty ffs.!

It's a flawed system.

[chartpolski 28,445]

11 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

If you were callled for jury service, how many members on here would find a bloke charged in pursuit of game with a lurcher  guilty?

Not many if any.

Juries are not  '12 good men and true'. They come into court with existing beliefs and prejudices.

A jury found OJ Simpson  not guilty ffs.!

It's a flawed system.

I’ve told this tale on here before;

my brother was called up for jury service and the case was an old man accused of stealing a packet of bacon, (this was many years ago, now the police wouldn’t have turned up never mind it going to court).

At the jury deliberations, my brother told the other jurors it was a disgrace the case even made it to court, the old man was either hungry, or forgetful and there was absolutely no chance of him finding him guilty. 
The jury passed a unanimous not guilty verdict.

Cheers.

[WILF 51,035]

29 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

If you were callled for jury service, how many members on here would find a bloke charged in pursuit of game with a lurcher  guilty?

Not many if any.

Juries are not  '12 good men and true'. They come into court with existing beliefs and prejudices.

A jury found OJ Simpson  not guilty ffs.!

It's a flawed system.

O.J. was guilty ????!!!!!

[chartpolski 28,445]

31 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

If you were callled for jury service, how many members on here would find a bloke charged in pursuit of game with a lurcher  guilty?

 

That depends; if he was poaching my permission I’d be reaching for the black cap !

Cheers.

[eastcoast 4,611]

I have never really understood the pro argument for killing convicted criminals. I get the just rewards and an eye for an eye part but personally I would rather be killed than spend the rest of my life locked up. Some crimes should be just that, once caught and convicted then they are removed from society and are never given the opportunity to re-offend. No convicted peodophile should ever be released from prison. I don't give a shit if we kill them or not, just do not give them a prison sentence and then release them once that term has been served. Some crimes should be life, locked up until they die. 

[paulus 26]

3 hours ago, WILF said:

Everyone is forgetting that Blair fundamentally altered the criminal justice system, for decades you have not had the presumption of innocence…..you have to prove you are innocent ! 
 

We still all think it’s innocent until proven guilty, it isn’t, they just say it is because that’s a handy myth to keep going…..

For me, it’s a no brainer…..how the f**k are you going to trust a police force and a criminal justice system that kept quiet about the mass gang rape of white children for reasons of political expediency and are routinely knocking on peoples doors for social media posts like it’s the most serious thing in the world……is anyone seriously suggesting we should put potentially innocent peoples life in the hands of people like that ?

f***ing hell boys, have a think about it ! 

Its got worse in recent years. they they pressed forward with reducing the categories for which you could claim legal aid, Thus reducing the amount of people who can afford to take cases to court, this gives the appearance that the court backlogs are coming down. The same with policing. if the police do not investigate crimes them the figures will show a reduction in crime. Nothing from any government body is ever what it is they say it is, Fundamentally there is no trust anymore between us and the ones who we choose to govern on our behalf. So even though i think the idea of the death sentence should be in place for certain crimes, i would not trust any government in power with controlling it. 

[jukel123 9,691]

In the early eighties I used to fish on a salmon beat where one of the members was a county court judge.

Some  kids around 15 or 16 were found poaching at night with a lamp and home made tridents to spear the fish.

He encouraged all the members of the beat to attend court to witness the severe sentence he was going to hand out. Big man eh?

So he sentenced the kids to 3 months apiece in a young offenders' institution plus add ons..probation,community service etc.

 

We used to gather in the hut for coffee at 11 o' clock. I gave it to him and told him he was a heartless c**t and a class warrior. A disgrace to his profession.

 I also told him it was agreed amongst us  there was no worse offender for taking black fish ( fish in breeding condition whose flesh is not worth eating). And he should be chucked off the beat.

Strangely we never spoke again after that and I did not get an invite to the end of season party ever again.

That was funny in itself because I would often get a prize which they didn't know what to do with ,so they used to post it to me.

[chartpolski 28,445]

Absolutely off topic but someone mentioned Stan Boardman on here the other day. 
Hes 87 and I’ve just watched him being interviewed on tv.

They asked him about his family, he said his grandson said “ grandad can you make a noise like a frog ?” He said  “ why” ? The grandson said “ mum said when you croak, we’re going to Disneyland” !

I cracked up laughing, tears in my eyes perfect timing, the old ‘uns are still the best, the jokes and the comedians !

Cheers.

[jukel123 9,691]

5 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

Absolutely off topic but someone mentioned Stan Boardman on here the other day. 
Hes 87 and I’ve just watched him being interviewed on tv.

They asked him about his family, he said his grandson said “ grandad can you make a noise like a frog ?” He said  “ why” ? The grandson said “ mum said when you croak, we’re going to Disneyland” !

I cracked up laughing, tears in my eyes perfect timing, the old ‘uns are still the best, the jokes and the comedians !

Cheers.

He could make me laugh before he opened his mouth. Ken Dodd was the same as well as Tommy Cooper. 

None of them ever told dirty jokes either. Brilliant comics.

[Moocher71 4,403]

2 hours ago, jukel123 said:

Police are sometimes 'over zealous' let's say in putting ' evidence' before courts. All organisations have corrupt employees.

Jurors can be totally stupid f**k wits. Or they can have an opinion swayed in one direction by a highly competent barrister , or in another way by an incompetent or disinterested barrister. Jurors could enter court determined to find somebody guilty because of existing prejudices or slanted media coverage of the case.

Judges can be biassed, or have fallen asleep whilst witnesses are testifying. Some may want to make a name for themselves as 'tough guy' judges

It's a flawed system. And at the end of the day, if you take someone's life because they have allegedly committed  murder, you are ' guilty'  of the same action except the law is your side.

I am not against whole life sentences. If somebody serving a whole life sentence is innocent, then tough. It's better than losing your life and there's always the possibility of appeal or fresh evidence being presented.

The cost of keeping prisoners alive could be mitigated by meaningful work for prisoners.

 Studies have shown that murder rates in countries with or without the death sentence are the same. So a deterrent effect is hard to prove.

Charts will argue there's a zero to low murder rate in Saudi but you can't compare highly authoritative and structured societies with democratic ' open' societies. 

So it's a definite no from me.

 

 

They is lads sitting in jails up and down England serving ipp sentence for the most stupid of crimes , stealing a bike and still in prison 15 years later,why ? Because the system is broken and I bet not one perv ,Pedo got a ipp  sentence because the very people who are doing the sentencing are fcuking pervs ,

 

 

[Astanley 11,672]

2 hours ago, jukel123 said:

A 'poisoner of wells'. I get that .

I'm always surprised terrorists have not targeted reservoirs in this country and elsewhere. As far as I know they are totally unprotected. 

Sorry to go off tangent.

For some reason I've got a picture in my head of Desertbred on the phone shouting "lads lads I've got a great idea "

[chartpolski 28,445]

1 minute ago, Astanley said:

For some reason I've got a picture in my head of Desertbred on the phone shouting "lads lads I've got a great idea "

I wonder what happed to him ?

He told me he had been a Colonel in the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.

I said should he really be advertising that ?

Cheers.