Borr 4,508 Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 Also depends on environment at a given time Doggerland - The Europe That Was EDUCATION.NATIONALGEOGRAPHIC.ORG A map showing Doggerland, a region of northwest Europe that... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TOMO 24,894 Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 5 minutes ago, Borr said: Also depends on environment at a given time Doggerland - The Europe That Was EDUCATION.NATIONALGEOGRAPHIC.ORG A map showing Doggerland, a region of northwest Europe that... Interesting that is borr....I bet mchull ancestors loved that doogerland with all its slop 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arry 18,681 Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 41 minutes ago, TOMO said: That flint stuff is interesting...watched Ray mears doing that flint napping...others on YouTube as well... It is mate and they reckon its sharper than surgical steel, no idea if thats true. I had no interest in napping myself just finding tools and thinking I'm the first person to handle the flint since it was dropped thousands of years ago, and what was it used for. They are not all arrow heads and blades. I remember the first flint I found I was in a hide decoying pigeons not much happening and I looked down and saw a small blade. Thought then was a Stone Age guy hunting on the very same spot thousands of years ago. That what got me interested in field walking, cant help seeing them now when out detecting on harrowed fields. Cheers Arry 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Borr 4,508 Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 Well I guess the UK bit is all forest the rest marsh, whether there were marsh dwelling deer or a water bison type thing. I think if you look at any tribe Eskimo living on fish and seal , or native American aka red injuns , following the buffalo herds, or us as Celts or Germanic or whatever we'd be hitting into vast herds of deer , I also think our ancestors physical attributes are down played , I think humans tested to the limit over tens of thousands of years a pure existence of hunting... undoubtedly backed up by or complimented by carbs mostly seed nut and fruit although after a few plates of acorn slop I'd imagine they'd be back hunting lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
steve66 3,089 Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 Low carb and low sugar has reduced my type 2 levels dramatically , wish i knew about it 20 years ago things would have been a lot different Said it before on a similar topic Garry Brecka does some interesting podcasts on the subject , well worth listening to 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 20,488 Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 18 minutes ago, Arry said: It is mate and they reckon its sharper than surgical steel, no idea if thats true. I had no interest in napping myself just finding tools and thinking I'm the first person to handle the flint since it was dropped thousands of years ago, and what was it used for. They are not all arrow heads and blades. I remember the first flint I found I was in a hide decoying pigeons not much happening and I looked down and saw a small blade. Thought then was a Stone Age guy hunting on the very same spot thousands of years ago. That what got me interested in field walking, cant help seeing them now when out detecting on harrowed fields. Cheers Arry Obsidian, a type of volcanic glass can be sharpened to a finer edge than steel and has been used for surgical tools. Cheers. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shaaark 10,146 Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 2 hours ago, DIDO.1 said: Exercise, don't abuse alcohol, eat a varied diet of fruit, veg, lean meats, EGGS, fish, eat as unprocessed as possible without stressing about it. Relax and enjoy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Borr 4,508 Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 2 hours ago, TOMO said: Wish I could put a link up... Just a simple search on Google hyper carnivores... Brings up the latest research that says early humans were apex predators...also our stomach acid is different to plant eaters...ours is designed to cope with bacteria from meat... Ancient Humans Were Apex Predators For 2 Million Years, Study Finds WWW.SCIENCEALERT.COM The real paleo diet was rich in mammoth. this... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
comanche 2,799 Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 3 hours ago, Borr said: Chimpanzees are a great example of meat eaters that have no tools or weapons . I'd say humans have hunted game for longer than historians believe we have , fish from rivers and seas, man hunting whales in little dinghies, woolly mammoth with nothing but spears , it would seem a ridiculous risk for survival of a species if we didn't require large quantities of meat to thrive , grow strong and defend ourselves against neighbouring tribes... Chimps don't really hunt large game though and they do use simple "tools" to hunt . Plant foods represent something over 95% of their diet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
comanche 2,799 Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 1 hour ago, chartpolski said: Obsidian, a type of volcanic glass can be sharpened to a finer edge than steel and has been used for surgical tools. Cheers. I made a passable arrowhead from obsidian. I actually made two but lost one when l couldn't resist trying it out . It is very sharp but the edge is a little delicate. I don't suppose it was a big deal for a skilled prehistoric napper to chip a new edge on a favourite spearhead if it was damaged. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Borr 4,508 Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 50 minutes ago, comanche said: Chimps don't really hunt large game though and they do use simple "tools" to hunt . Plant foods represent something over 95% of their diet. Well humans don't really hunt large game in the low tech manner, many of the species that were hunted are extinct, apparently we've been going backwards since the younger dryas but prior to that and the majority of our evolution we were apparently apex predators, during a time of mega fauna , and from bone and teeth certain dietary trends can be found several of our species were made extinct by the same event that removed the megafauna. Maybe tools formed the difference between ape and man, I'm currently looking at the 200k years we coexisted with Neanderthal man, who was apparently far stronger with equalled intelligence. It's a fascinating subject , but open to interpretation, but in simple terms the guys that can kill in the most organised and effective manner along with the most effective social structure are going to be likely contenders for inheriting the earth...I also think I'm erring on the side of civilisation prehistory pre younger dryas, so much evidence below our current sea levels 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arry 18,681 Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 Interesting People and Tribes that live mainly on meat. Life expectancy. Africa. Masai. 42m. 44f Samburu. 61m. 64f Rendille. 40 Artic. Inuit 63 where as average for a Canadian 81 Churatka. 61 Cheers Arry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie, 1,741 Posted February 5 Author Report Share Posted February 5 6 hours ago, steve66 said: Low carb and low sugar has reduced my type 2 levels dramatically , wish i knew about it 20 years ago things would have been a lot different Said it before on a similar topic Garry Brecka does some interesting podcasts on the subject , well worth listening to Your a lying hoor steve according to corky haha 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
comanche 2,799 Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 4 hours ago, Borr said: Well humans don't really hunt large game in the low tech manner, many of the species that were hunted are extinct, apparently we've been going backwards since the younger dryas but prior to that and the majority of our evolution we were apparently apex predators, during a time of mega fauna , and from bone and teeth certain dietary trends can be found several of our species were made extinct by the same event that removed the megafauna. Maybe tools formed the difference between ape and man, I'm currently looking at the 200k years we coexisted with Neanderthal man, who was apparently far stronger with equalled intelligence. It's a fascinating subject , but open to interpretation, but in simple terms the guys that can kill in the most organised and effective manner along with the most effective social structure are going to be likely contenders for inheriting the earth...I also think I'm erring on the side of civilisation prehistory pre younger dryas, so much evidence below our current sea levels You are right Borr ,it is a fascinating subject . Made more interesting and difficult to build conclusions because development of humans is not conveniently linear. All over the World people were developing at different rates according to local conditions and the urgency ,or lack, of urgency ,to progress. As you mention ,Neanderthals overlapped with more modern humans. There is apparently evidence of inter breeding. Was it consensual? Or enforced? One thing l read many years ago was that some prehistoric skeletons showed serious injuries of the sort suffered by rodeo riders . This led to the suggestion that our ancestirs actually wrestled large game into submission from time to time..That sounds like a job for the Neanderthals! In my neck of the woods there are neolithic flint mines. These were part of an Interbational trade in flint. Thousands of red deer antlers were needed for mining tools. These came from the vast herds of red deer that are thought to have served European humans like the wildebeests of Africa or Bison of America served other natives in other times. Absolutely no doubt that the knowledge and technology to hunt quantities of protein rich game not only led to greater populations ,more exploration , and the development of weapons that could also be used in war. Humans could penetrate the cold Northlands thanks to fat bearing animals. And the skins led to advancement in clothing manufacture. But this doesn't make humans carnivores. They are omnivores, non specialist feeders ,capable of living on a vegetarian diet and a carnivorous diet or a mix of both . This is surely one of the big keys to their success. As modern humans our omnivore status allows us ridiculous freedom of lifestyle choice. In fact it offered our ancestors a degree of luxury too. The Vikings fished ,kept some livestock and grew barley .By trading furs and dried fish for fruits and veg from the South they got to eat a good mixed diet and keep their barley for making beer Now when someone says that they eat nothing but raw meat, offal and guts; and drink nothing but water ,blood and bile l'll accept they are deserving of the honary title of Carnivore. Even though in reality they are still an omnivore. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Borr 4,508 Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 55 minutes ago, comanche said: You are right Borr ,it is a fascinating subject . Made more interesting and difficult to build conclusions because development of humans is not conveniently linear. All over the World people were developing at different rates according to local conditions and the urgency ,or lack, of urgency ,to progress. As you mention ,Neanderthals overlapped with more modern humans. There is apparently evidence of inter breeding. Was it consensual? Or enforced? One thing l read many years ago was that some prehistoric skeletons showed serious injuries of the sort suffered by rodeo riders . This led to the suggestion that our ancestirs actually wrestled large game into submission from time to time..That sounds like a job for the Neanderthals! In my neck of the woods there are neolithic flint mines. These were part of an Interbational trade in flint. Thousands of red deer antlers were needed for mining tools. These came from the vast herds of red deer that are thought to have served European humans like the wildebeests of Africa or Bison of America served other natives in other times. Absolutely no doubt that the knowledge and technology to hunt quantities of protein rich game not only led to greater populations ,more exploration , and the development of weapons that could also be used in war. Humans could penetrate the cold Northlands thanks to fat bearing animals. And the skins led to advancement in clothing manufacture. But this doesn't make humans carnivores. They are omnivores, non specialist feeders ,capable of living on a vegetarian diet and a carnivorous diet or a mix of both . This is surely one of the big keys to their success. As modern humans our omnivore status allows us ridiculous freedom of lifestyle choice. In fact it offered our ancestors a degree of luxury too. The Vikings fished ,kept some livestock and grew barley .By trading furs and dried fish for fruits and veg from the South they got to eat a good mixed diet and keep their barley for making beer Now when someone says that they eat nothing but raw meat, offal and guts; and drink nothing but water ,blood and bile l'll accept they are deserving of the honary title of Carnivore. Even though in reality they are still an omnivore. Some good points , I read earlier about Denisovans another link gone extinct although closer to Neanderthal. Also watched something about XXL native American with red hair that were cannibals, I think cannibalism was probably more common place where needs were greatest, or where spiritual beliefs led it to be . Cannibals from Fiji to Africa to new guinea to what is now Texas. Neanderthals were believed to be cannibals and humans may have eaten them too. I guess Mongols probably come close to carnivore when most everything comes from the horse or sheep. But yes I know we are omnivore as is a grizzly bear or a chimpanzee . Also what is interesting is these other groups can all be found in our DNA so as you said we bred with other species , it's all fascinating. It amazes me how much we rely on Victorians to tell us about ancient history . I do like this Graham Hancock chap and although he pushes the envelope at times there's a lot said that makes more sense than the current text book history . Has this series on netflix but endless videos on YouTube, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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