chartpolski 28,382 Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 My uncle "Sapper" Laurie, was a prisoner of the Japenese after the fall of Singapore. He never forgave them, hated them with a vengeance. He was a very interesting man; he was the Ju Jitsu adviser on the Bond film Goldfinger, he invented some sort of mini sub and the M.O.D. tested it on the Tyne., he also blew up his workshop trying to develop a petrol alternative. He also taught me to drive when I was 13, and he never got the concept of driving lisences, insurance or M.O.T.s Of course there was no such thing as NPR back then Cheers. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, TOMO said: I didn't know about that mac...as you say very brutal people... both my grandads fought the japs...one died before I was born so I don't know much from his experiences...but the other one I've mentioned on here before...he hated them ...he seen there brutality first hand I had an uncle who was an artists, often told i take after him, i never met him as he died a couple of days after being liberated from a POW work camp on the Burma railway. My nan hated all Japanese, wouldn't be on the same street as anyone she thought might be Japanese. 13'000 POWs and 100'000 locals died on the railway, it shows how easy it is to treat people as sub human if you think you are better than them, a lesson we should all remember. Edited July 22, 2022 by sandymere Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 32,275 Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 2 hours ago, tatsblisters said: Remember working for a jap company in Rotherham a few year's back and the jap flag was always flying one of the old boys who worked their said if his old man saw that despite his age he would be trying to climb the flagpole to rip it down as he had suffered at the hands of the japs in WW2 seems funny how it looks to be forgot about nowadays but the topic of slavery hundreds of years before gets mentioned more than the atrocities the japs inflicted on our POW. That’s known as selective wokeism, on a bit of a brighter note Edinburgh uni has had 2mil in donations taken from them this year for there attempt at cancelling out history 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TOMO 29,149 Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Greyman said: That’s known as selective wokeism, on a bit of a brighter note Edinburgh uni has had 2mil in donations taken from them this year for there attempt at cancelling out history what's the story Greyman? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Astanley 11,670 Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, TOMO said: what's the story Greyman? Google it you lazy twat. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 28,382 Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 (edited) We hated the Japanese, then thought we became friends...... The Japanese hate us and always will...... A quote from the film "Black Rain"; Cheers. Edited July 22, 2022 by chartpolski Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 28,382 Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Astanley said: Google it you lazy twat. Just feed him false information, I do all the time ! ! Cheers. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elchapo 3,172 Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 19 hours ago, TOMO said: got to admire there sheer bloody mindness....the grit and will to stick it out in the name of duty...30 odd bloody years...it's incredible really... talk about duty and honour.. Either that or his missus was a bitch and he just didn’t want go home 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,933 Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, jukel123 said: In the book "All Quiet on the Western Front", there's a line which goes something like " a word of command makes a country your enemy, a word of command then makes them your friends". It aint like that for ex Japanese POWs. It’s when he is in the shell hole stuck out in no man’s land and he has had to kill the French soldier that’s in there with him…..I believe Edited to add: My mistake, just looked it up and it’s when he is home and guarding the Russian prisoners. And I only listened to the book last night again for about the millionth time ! Lol Edited July 22, 2022 by WILF 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,933 Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 28 minutes ago, sandymere said: My nan hated all Japanese, wouldn't be on the same street as anyone she thought might be Japanese. I hope you reported her to the authority’s for hate crime ! No room for people like her in our modern liberal democracy ! 28 minutes ago, sandymere said: 13'000 POWs and 100'000 locals died on the railway, it shows how easy it is to treat people as sub human if you think you are better than them, a lesson we should all remember. And we should also remember how we get to these points in history as well 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 32,275 Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 30 minutes ago, TOMO said: what's the story Greyman? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 (edited) 49 minutes ago, WILF said: I hope you reported her to the authority’s for hate crime ! No room for people like her in our modern liberal democracy ! And we should also remember how we get to these points in history as well Indeed we have a less than perfect record, it wasn't that long before they suffered in Burma that we did much worse in our own concentration camps, not to solders but families. "Between 18,000 and 28,000 Boers died, 80% of them children. The British did not bother to keep records for native Africans housed in camps, but it is believed that their death toll was similar to that of the Boers." South African concentration camps | NZHistory, New Zealand history online NZHISTORY.GOVT.NZ Painting of Boer families burying their dead outside a British concentration camp in South Africa. hopefully we will learn from history. Edited July 22, 2022 by sandymere Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 50,933 Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 9 minutes ago, sandymere said: Indeed we have a less than perfect record, it wasn't that long before they suffered in Burma that we did much worse in our own concentration camps, not to solders but families. "Between 18,000 and 28,000 Boers died, 80% of them children. The British did not bother to keep records for native Africans housed in camps, but it is believed that their death toll was similar to that of the Boers." South African concentration camps | NZHistory, New Zealand history online NZHISTORY.GOVT.NZ Painting of Boer families burying their dead outside a British concentration camp in South Africa. Yep, one game was to try and kick the heads off people who had been buried in the ground ! Shock, horror…..humans are brutal ! 9 minutes ago, sandymere said: hopefully we will learn from history. No, we won’t ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, WILF said: No, we won’t ! Some do, hopefully an increasing number around the world, education is key, key to seeing beyond the dogma of things like racism, sectarianism, anti science etc. Some people wake up to realities of needing to get along and work together. Its called being "woke". ps. some thoughts on anti woke People who use the term “Woke” as a derogatory term tend to hold a pitiable existence, but an increasingly common one. It’s impossible to move for grumpy old men sprinkling ‘woke’, ‘wokeness’, ‘wokeism’ and ‘woke mob’ into every second sentence. Woke historically meant staying alert to racial prejudice and discrimination although now the word has been divorced from its original definition and stripped of its meaning, used almost exclusively to mean ‘thing I don’t like’. The only positive is the time it saves - if you see someone using ‘woke’ as a pejorative you instantly know you can disregard everything they say about anything. The Boy Who Cried Woke, essentially. You see ‘Woke’ provokes a visceral reaction in the kind of lost soul who would traditionally have been a dominant figure in Neighbourhood Watch groups and now posts several times a day on the Nextdoor app about ‘suspicious behaviour’ from local teenagers. The sort of person who spends half their day asking ‘why is everyone so offended by everything?’ and the other half complaining about things that have offended them. Some very serious and important examples of ‘woke’ highlighted by the anti-woke mob. M&Ms In January 2022, the Daily Mail proclaimed “M&Ms go woke!” The reason? In adverts for the confectionery, the green M&M now wears trainers instead of stilettos. Star Trek Fox News took aim at the legendary sci-fi series in May 2022 after spinoff Strange New Worlds had the audacity to portray the January 6th US Capitol riots negatively. The Rolling Stones Piers Morgan condemned Mick Jagger and Keith Richards in October 2021 for removing Brown Sugar from their setlist. The Meghan obsessor accused them of pandering to a “woke-fuelled narrative” by no longer playing a 50-year-old ditty about a young Black woman being sexually exploited by slave traders. Fictional busters of ghosts A December 2021 article on notorious American far-right website Breitbart lamented the 2016 Ghostbusters reboot on account of it supposedly seeking to “infuse woke feminism” into proceedings, apparently because there are female actors in it. Presumably this was a betrayal of the all-male real-life Ghostbusters, who famously saved New York City from a 112.5ft Marshmallow Man in 1984. Lewis Hamilton Jeremy Clarkson, the answer to a question only your uncle’s asking. In recent years, Formula 1 superstar Lewis Hamilton has become vocal in his support for progressive causes, prompting Clarkson to moan in November 2021 that Hamilton had “decided to go woke and right-on”. ‘Know your place and go vroom vroom for me’, basically. Basically the whole ‘woke’ issue was recently summed up neatly by national treasure Kathy Burke "I love being 'woke'. It's much nicer than being an ignorant f***ing tw*t.” Edited July 22, 2022 by sandymere 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 29,912 Posted July 22, 2022 Report Share Posted July 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, sandymere said: Some do, hopefully an increasing number around the world, education is key, key to seeing beyond the dogma of things like racism, sectarianism, anti science etc. Some people wake up to realities of needing to get along and work together. Its called being "woke". ps. some thoughts on anti woke People who use the term “Woke” as a derogatory term tend to hold a pitiable existence, but an increasingly common one. It’s impossible to move for grumpy old men sprinkling ‘woke’, ‘wokeness’, ‘wokeism’ and ‘woke mob’ into every second sentence. Woke historically meant staying alert to racial prejudice and discrimination although now the word has been divorced from its original definition and stripped of its meaning, used almost exclusively to mean ‘thing I don’t like’. The only positive is the time it saves - if you see someone using ‘woke’ as a pejorative you instantly know you can disregard everything they say about anything. The Boy Who Cried Woke, essentially. You see ‘Woke’ provokes a visceral reaction in the kind of lost soul who would traditionally have been a dominant figure in Neighbourhood Watch groups and now posts several times a day on the Nextdoor app about ‘suspicious behaviour’ from local teenagers. The sort of person who spends half their day asking ‘why is everyone so offended by everything?’ and the other half complaining about things that have offended them. Some very serious and important examples of ‘woke’ highlighted by the anti-woke mob. M&Ms In January 2022, the Daily Mail proclaimed “M&Ms go woke!” The reason? In adverts for the confectionery, the green M&M now wears trainers instead of stilettos. Star Trek Fox News took aim at the legendary sci-fi series in May 2022 after spinoff Strange New Worlds had the audacity to portray the January 6th US Capitol riots negatively. The Rolling Stones Piers Morgan condemned Mick Jagger and Keith Richards in October 2021 for removing Brown Sugar from their setlist. The Meghan obsessor accused them of pandering to a “woke-fuelled narrative” by no longer playing a 50-year-old ditty about a young Black woman being sexually exploited by slave traders. Fictional busters of ghosts A December 2021 article on notorious American far-right website Breitbart lamented the 2016 Ghostbusters reboot on account of it supposedly seeking to “infuse woke feminism” into proceedings, apparently because there are female actors in it. Presumably this was a betrayal of the all-male real-life Ghostbusters, who famously saved New York City from a 112.5ft Marshmallow Man in 1984. Lewis Hamilton Jeremy Clarkson, the answer to a question only your uncle’s asking. In recent years, Formula 1 superstar Lewis Hamilton has become vocal in his support for progressive causes, prompting Clarkson to moan in November 2021 that Hamilton had “decided to go woke and right-on”. ‘Know your place and go vroom vroom for me’, basically. Basically the whole ‘woke’ issue was recently summed up neatly by national treasure Kathy Burke "I love being 'woke'. It's much nicer than being an ignorant f***ing tw*t.” You copied most of that Sandy, I saw it somewhere online, some crappy article like" What will infuriate the brexity gammons next" or somesuch absolute toffee 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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