Will Boris be gone by tomorrow ?

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15 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

I'm basing my post on this article mate.

Six charts that show how the UK economy is in crisis | Economic growth (GDP) | The Guardian

WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM

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From inflation to tax, labour shortages to R&D, ministers will need to confront these key issues and fast

 

1st I'd suggest that anything published by the guardian be treated with a pinch of salt. The guardian, like the political left wants regularly organised british society to fail. 

Now I've had a long week and a few beers so I won't go through each 'graph'. But personally it's the same mistake as judging things on 'growth'. Apparently we have to grow each year or we have catastrophe. Now to grow we need mass immigration and mass house building, the economy and everything seems to depend on it. How about sustainability? How about we concentrate on developing a nation that can feed itself, power itself and our kids get to live a sustainable decent life like we did.

Unfortunately to get to that position I think we need a complete collapse, people really need to learn what poverty is again. They need to realise that things aren't gaurenteed and you don't have a right to anything, that things need to be worked for and your nations wealth (in the form of benifits and health care) is too precious to give away to 3rd world parasites. 

I've got kids, and for their sake I think the current wealth and comfort, which in reality we have, is a danger....not something we should be clinging too at all costs.....because that wealth, in reality, is a myth and illusion paid for by debt and the lie of eternal growth. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Nicepix said:

Care to offer some explanation or alternative opinion?

Name one negotiation re the Good Friday Agreement or Brexit, Boris and the Tories entered in Good Faith?

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Just now, DIDO.1 said:

1st I'd suggest that anything published by the guardian be treated with a pinch of salt. The guardian, like the political left wants regularly organised british society to fail. 

Now I've had a long week and a few beers so I won't go through each 'graph'. But personally it's the same mistake as judging things on 'growth'. Apparently we have to grow each year or we have catastrophe. Now to grow we need mass immigration and mass house building, the economy and everything seems to depend on it. How about sustainability? How about we concentrate on developing a national that can feed itself, power itself and our kids get to live a sustainable decent life like we did.

Unfortunately to get to that position I think we need a complete collapse, people really need to learn what poverty is again. They need to realise that things aren't gaurenteed and you don't have a right to anything, that things need to be worked for and your nations wealth (in the form of benifits and health care) is too precious to give away to 3rd world parasites. 

I've got kids, and for their sake I think the current wealth and comfort, which in reality we have, is a danger....not something we should be clinging too at all costs.....because that wealth, in reality, is a myth and illusion paid for by debt and the lie of eternal growth. 

 

There's not a lot I disagree with there mate. Constant economic growth  is not viable in the long term for the planet. But getting people to accept that requires a complete new mindset.

I'm an old geezer so it's easy for me to say to youngsters you don't need this you don't need that. Let's all go back to basics. The young want houses, cars holidays....the good life that their parents had.

I take every  article I lead across the political spectrum  with a pinch of salt by the way.

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23 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

There's not a lot I disagree with there mate. Constant economic growth  is not viable in the long term for the planet. But getting people to accept that requires a complete new mindset.

I'm an old geezer so it's easy for me to say to youngsters you don't need this you don't need that. Let's all go back to basics. The young want houses, cars holidays....the good life that their parents had.

I take every  article I lead across the political spectrum  with a pinch of salt by the way.

Don't know where you get the bit about "good life that their parents had", my kids are living lives that I could only dream of at their ages.

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The snakey snakey horrible b*****ds 

Almost as if it was planned

do they genuinely think we are that stupid as an electorate ?? 

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Sunak putting himself forward , green card holder , wife’s a tax dodger , went to the most expensive school in England.                    
Can see the other candidates haveing a field day with this one

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1 hour ago, steve66 said:

Sunak putting himself forward , green card holder , wife’s a tax dodger , went to the most expensive school in England.                    
Can see the other candidates haveing a field day with this one

And he hasn't declared his own business interests. So much for transparency.

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10 hours ago, VOON said:

Name one negotiation re the Good Friday Agreement or Brexit, Boris and the Tories entered in Good Faith?

You could also ask what terms of Brexit including The Good Friday Agreement the EU entered in good faith.

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57 minutes ago, Nicepix said:

You could also ask what terms of Brexit including The Good Friday Agreement the EU entered in good faith.

Breaking International agreements in a very specific and limited way……who was that again? 

The GFA is not a Term of Brexit….It should have been dealt with fully before Brexit…British Government wanted in dealt afterwards, it’s a very tricky subject to be playing politics with. 
 

it was the Irish Government who insisted issue’s with the GFA had to be dealt with and all issues clarified.
 

The Tory government last month published a draft bill on the NI protocol which would break international agreements, just to prop up Boris Johnson narcissistic attempt to hold on to power in his own party……Putin level shit.

And you ask about the EU and good faith.

The New Leader of the Conservatives will have to pander to the ERG and I suspect Northern Ireland will suffer again……

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6 minutes ago, VOON said:

Breaking International agreements in a very specific and limited way……who was that again? 

The GFA is not a Term of Brexit….It should have been dealt with fully before Brexit…British Government wanted in dealt afterwards, it’s a very tricky subject to be playing politics with. 
 

it was the Irish Government who insisted issue’s with the GFA had to be dealt with and all issues clarified.
 

The Tory government last month published a draft bill on the NI protocol which would break international agreements, just to prop up Boris Johnson narcissistic attempt to hold on to power in his own party……Putin level shit.

And you ask about the EU and good faith.

The New Leader of the Conservatives will have to pander to the ERG and I suspect Northern Ireland will suffer again……

I always wonder what would have been the problem with both sides just saying “Ok, no border, we won’t worry about it because peace is more important” ? 
 

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4 minutes ago, WILF said:

I always wonder what would have been the problem with both sides just saying “Ok, no border, we won’t worry about it because peace is more important” ? 
 

Because it would either cut ni off from mainland or be a gateway for people and contraband....

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12 minutes ago, WILF said:

I always wonder what would have been the problem with both sides just saying “Ok, no border, we won’t worry about it because peace is more important” ? 
 

I wonder why Brexit was so important that the British Government had to destabilise NI.

What has changed in U.K.?
 

Levelling up? Immigration? NHS?

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10 minutes ago, Borr said:

Because it would either cut ni off from mainland or be a gateway for people and contraband....

NI has a mainland…..it’s called Ireland…

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11 minutes ago, Borr said:

Because it would either cut ni off from mainland or be a gateway for people and contraband....

It’s a gateway for people at the moment mate because of the CTA…..as it happens, they are coming ashore at Dover and not Dublin.

I don’t buy the “contraband” line either, nobody is telling me that they were going to be shipping IKEA tables one way and Melton Mowbray pork pies the other enough to destabilise both the EU and UK economy.

See this is what I never understood, a lorry load of pork pies ain’t worth jeopardising peace……the only answer in my mind is that money means more ?

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6 minutes ago, VOON said:

I wonder why Brexit was so important that the British Government had to destabilise NI.

What has changed in U.K.?
 

Levelling up? Immigration? NHS?

So far Brexit has changed nothing other than the things Born Hunter mentioned…..the man on the street certainly isn’t feeling or enjoying the endless opportunities it could have presented imho 

I don’t understand why both sides felt the need to use the threat of a return to violence to get one over on each other either…..as I just said, I can only assume it’s all about “revenue”