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1 hour ago, WILF said:

I personally don’t blame wealthy people, after all the poor kid living in one room with his mum should be able to feel he can go on to be a millionaire without being penalised for doing so.

Self made blokes living off the fruits of their own labour I have no problem with at all.

What I do have a problem with is poxy politicians relieving people of trillions and their coat tail hangers profiting while some little kid can’t  afford a tin of beans.

One couple had one lightbulb for the whole house and were in the point of having the kids took away (because of their financial circumstances) and were still getting court letters about poxy council tax !!

 

 I worked in children’s services for a good few years, as a counsellor and also first point of contact / family liaison. I was the dude that kids used to come to, to disclose that they were being abused, beaten, neglected. I was also the person who worked to link up family, school, police etc.

People are living on the poverty line and things are pretty messed up, but if I’m honest the government really doesn’t like taking kids away and wouldn’t do so for financial reasons.

There are always things in place to allow people to access support. 
 

The government isn’t blameless and the schemes aren’t always great. But 9 times out of 10 the people on the ground are going above and beyond and most of the kids who are taken in, should be!

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I don’t t think it’s any different to what it’s always been. I’m in my fifty’s and I was brought up in poverty. We had fukc all as kids and if my father didn’t have a veg garden and didn’t hunt fukc k

True that mate, I had to give up plastering a couple of years back as the old joints are getting pretty knackered, I am quite illiterate have a very colourful police record and a multitude of ailments

Im not going to give you a whole Oliver Twist poor me tale , but we were so poor we had to wank the dog off to feed the cat. Things like carpets , wallpaper and curtains were for other people.  A

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After this virus is done there's going to be a lot more poverty and food banks will get even more hammered I agree it should happen but it has always been like that and even more so in the 40 50 ect difference was family's and community's were a lot closer and helped each other if they could 

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5 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

 I worked in children’s services for a good few years, as a counsellor and also first point of contact / family liaison. I was the dude that kids used to come to, to disclose that they were being abused, beaten, neglected. I was also the person who worked to link up family, school, police etc.

People are living on the poverty line and things are pretty messed up, but if I’m honest the government really doesn’t like taking kids away and wouldn’t do so for financial reasons.

There are always things in place to allow people to access support. 
 

The government isn’t blameless and the schemes aren’t always great. But 9 times out of 10 the people on the ground are going above and beyond and most of the kids who are taken in, should be!

I’m in no way knocking the people on the ground mate, there were a group of amazing women in Newcastle last night doing everything they could to help one family.

Ordinary people I think genuinely want to do good, it’s when you get upto the levels box tickers and pen pushers that the problems start imho  

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16 minutes ago, WILF said:

I’m in no way knocking the people on the ground mate, there were a group of amazing women in Newcastle last night doing everything they could to help one family.

Ordinary people I think genuinely want to do good, it’s when you get upto the levels box tickers and pen pushers that the problems start imho  

I have to admit that often those at the top are short sighted. But even a lot of those folk are pretty good. The way it’s all funded is a bit to blame, short term grant funding, just little continuation.

if I’m honest though, it’s an almost unsolvable situation. I used to spend a lot of time trying to work out how the hell you fix it ...... I’m not sure if you can ? 

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25 minutes ago, WILF said:

My own very uneducated opinion is that we live in a weird half way house where capitalism and socialism are expected to live hand in hand.

I think it's more we are always in a constant state of flux between the two it's the capitalism/socialism seesaw,  problem is this tends to lead to us  swinging to both the extremes rather than keeping things level and stable. 

I don't know the answers but anyone who hasn't got their eyes painted on can see the current system is not working for the greater good.

The current capitalist system has lifted more people out of poverty than ever before and yet disparity has never been greater, we need a middle ground  it won't suit everyone but you gotta take the rough with the smooth across the board to make it achievable and here lies the problem. 

On a last note its easy to blame government but ultimately we are the ones responsible for the government and system we get.

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46 minutes ago, kanny said:

The elephant in the room is what do you want  capitalism or socialism? Something I've been thinking of quite a lot recently with this coronavirus mess. I've seen the hardest of  capitalists all of a sudden crying for socialism look at Branson he had his hand out looking for public bailouts on day one, look at the banking crash all of a sudden socialism was expected. but it's not just the big players I've seen plenty of normal folk who have been quite happy to make hay whilst the sun was shining do a quick U turn and expect to paid out the public coffers,there's a lot of hypocrisy about it all if you ask me .

National socialism minus the amphetamine  perhaps? 

I tend to agree... in some ways mate..

I love the idea that through hard graft you can become whatever you want, or earn what you want... I guess in essence i have captilist values...but morally perhaps socialist leanings Lol...

How much do we squander of the taxes the wealthy pay?

The rich/poor divide is surely a state issue as the wealthy tend to pay the most in during the good times, so the poorer get the benefit... but imo the taxes we all pay are wasted in many ways, and we have no control.on that...

I dont believe a legitimate decent business/businessman should be held accountable in times like this anymore than anyone else... of they have paid probably 10s or 100s of thousands in whilst the times were good, why should they get hit the hardest when it turns to shit?

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Not read all.the posts before I replied, so I.apologise if I'm stating the same as others...

 

Completely find it uncomprehisble that children are suffering in poverty akin to a 3rd world country when we generate so much money as a nation...

The wasting of public funds needs to be addressed, there is no doubt in that..

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6 minutes ago, NEWKID said:

I love the idea that through hard graft you can become whatever you want, or earn what you want... I guess in essence i have captilist values...but morally perhaps socialist leanings Lol...

I'm exactly the same pal and im as guilty as anyone else ,with what's going at the moment I'm having a real conflict of interests.

Maybe that's the good thing to come out of all this mess?

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9 minutes ago, baker boy said:

There are many reasons for poverty and importing 100s of 1000s of lmmigrants puts a strain on our infrastructure as does sending millions of pounds out of the country in so called international aid, not 1 penny should leave this country until every british person is looked after and not 1 immigrant allowed in until we can look after our own people, JMHO like

If you give some of the poorest in the country a massive hand out they would buy beer ,fags,drugs and a bmw, you can’t help the feckless, everyone of those food bank idiots that get interviewed on telly have an iPhone and a gold chain, if you don’t have mental health issues no one in this country should be in poverty, I grew up in poverty as in 4 of us in a one room bedsit and I despise most of the people I now see claiming poverty,  as they are just lazy feckless tossers who want to blame everyone bar themselves, I,ll get my coat now ✌️

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1 hour ago, SheepChaser said:

It ain’t always the immigrants and it ain’t always the government. Sometimes ..... shock horror....... the people actually are at fault themselves. Typical uk..... always someone else’s fault ffs.

No doubt mate...

There are failures from top to bottom...as well.as many successes/good people....

Lots of aspects compound the problem and more so in large overpopulated cities....poverty is not a simple issue because as you rightly say some people can be given all the benefit in the world but will still be a scum.bag more interested in feeding a habit rather than their kids..

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I don't understand the belief "There shouldn't be poverty these days"...... Why? It's undoubtedly a good ideal but pragmatically, why?

The only reason there's so much money about these days is because of free markets and free markets expose natural inequality.

Can anyone suggest a system that raises people up without encouraging those who can't support themselves from breeding more than those that can? Therefore compounding the problem.

I honestly don't think there is any system that sustainably eliminates poverty. A booming economy and a right to education is probably the best way to reduce it but it takes generations. Immediate solutions are welfare and social care but I'm convinced these things just compound the problem long term.

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I went to loads of rough as f**k spots where people had f**k all in terms of work, money etc.

Some of those folk had clean, healthy, well mannered kids.

And some of those lived in filthy shit holes, kids poorly fed, dirty and not given a f**k about.

Often mum was smoking her fags like a chimney and house always had a tv .....

Edited to Add - a major issue is you can’t claim benefits etc until 16, which means if you leave home and are self supporting and avoiding the powers that be under 16 (which a lot are - they make up the invisible ones, sofa surfers etc) then you cannot claim any benefits - this is a much greater issue than immigration. 

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4 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

I don't understand the belief "There shouldn't be poverty these days"...... Why? It's undoubtedly a good ideal but pragmatically, why?

The only reason there's so much money about these days is because of free markets and free markets expose natural inequality.

Can anyone suggest a system that raises people up without encouraging those who can't support themselves from breeding more than those that can? Therefore compounding the problem.

I honestly don't think there is any system that sustainably eliminates poverty. A booming economy and a right to education is probably the best way to reduce it but it takes generations. Immediate solutions are welfare and social care but I'm convinced these things just compound the problem long term.

Until you boil the wasters and dossers up for glue, degeneration will continue with every new generation. If some of these couples were dogs you would have them pts  or at least sterilised, but we encourage them to breed with the offer of more benefit and a council house, if your fit healthy and mentally sound you should always be able to make a living, no excuse 

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3 minutes ago, SheepChaser said:

I went to loads of rough as f**k spots where people had f**k all in terms of work, money etc.

Some of those folk had clean, healthy, well mannered kids.

And some of those lived in filthy shit holes, kids poorly fed, dirty and not given a f**k about.

Often mum was smoking her fags like a chimney and house always had a tv .....

Edited to Add - a major issue is you can’t claim benefits etc until 16, which means if you leave home and are self supporting and avoiding the powers that be under 16 (which a lot are - they make up the invisible ones, sofa surfers etc) then you cannot claim any benefits - this is a much greater issue than immigration. 

Bring back child labour, my kids all had part time jobs as did I, now they can’t even do a Saturday in a shop until they are 16, I blame the nanny state, if no one fed and watered them they could get off there lard arses and sort themselves out or die, winner winner ✌️

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