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21 hours ago, 1of1 said:

Ya bill has a massive heart like his sister And the son of his that I have is the same. 
 

As far as I know all the dogs in the pedigree have been worked as I have pics of all of them with the exception of two after work.  One of the two is Anne busty (swchab says she was worked but not as heavily as many others -that being said a lot of lines these days have her in them and they are planning out well she was the mothers to Edwards Simon who was a good one from my understanding)

im not into the whole hall of fame stuff. I obtained the mother to this dog because she heavily inbred on dogs that have Been proven as workers and producers. Which makes her ideal to use as an out to the other line of dogs with is also light bred on workers.
  

Do you think she (Anne busty) had jack Russell somewhere in her? Seems to be quite a few Russell coloured descendants of her.

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52 minutes ago, Daniel cain said:

If booth is involved.... Could be anything in em..... 

It would be more nuttall type breeding (I think).could a small patch on a chest keep getting bigger and bigger when bred close and then turn into piebald?

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27 minutes ago, tinytiger said:

It would be more nuttall type breeding (I think).could a small patch on a chest keep getting bigger and bigger when bred close and then turn into piebald?

She has no booth blood in her nor did Robert breed her you are correct

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3 hours ago, tinytiger said:

Do you think she (Anne busty) had jack Russell somewhere in her? Seems to be quite a few Russell coloured descendants of her.

Brian Plummer or people breeding the early plummers used Brian Nuttalls stud dogs 1980's I think ,  afew of the pups looked just like the Breay Rusty Type weather Brian Nuttall took any for stud fee  I cant say for certain but it was about the same time reds appeared again in Brian's Kennell , Simon's Sire side won't have any white blood for at least 8 gens , but there is a line back fo R.Westmoorlands Slim and  Biddie , Breay bred stuff that was know to throw some white dogs I think Bert Gripton made use of these white throwbacks in his kennell 

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I was sent a white bitch who I tested thoroughly.She had the jacket of a Lakeland and a top knot like a beddie.She was very close to perfect in my eyes and I tried everything to prove my blackens was better.She would not try for dispatch she would catch the quarry with her mouth to neutralize it and would bark out of the side of her mouth.At 10 year old I bred her to my foundation male.The best otter Hunter I have ever seen came from this and the ugliest.

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This bitch is about to finish her fifth season.She has 3 layers to her jacket which is useful in rivers in winter.She is the best Terrier I have ever seen on otter.I have never seen a perfect terrier but she is getting close.I have never bred her but have considered adding her to my family as she is half mates to my current stud.Has anyone here had personal experience adding these type back to their family of black dogs.I do not want to be blinded by hybrid vigour.

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If the rest of your breeding is coming  right mate or there abouts you’d be a fool to incorporate an unknown and potentially get the dreaded kennel blindness from one mating .Take her for what she is an enjoy but unless you can trace a decent line that goes back to your root stock I’d not bother personally .Others will have different ideas no doubt .

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27 minutes ago, Rickshaw swami said:

I was sent a white bitch who I tested thoroughly.She had the jacket of a Lakeland and a top knot like a beddie.She was very close to perfect in my eyes and I tried everything to prove my blackens was better.She would not try for dispatch she would catch the quarry with her mouth to neutralize it and would bark out of the side of her mouth.At 10 year old I bred her to my foundation male.The best otter Hunter I have ever seen came from this and the ugliest.

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This bitch is about to finish her fifth season.She has 3 layers to her jacket which is useful in rivers in winter.She is the best Terrier I have ever seen on otter.I have never seen a perfect terrier but she is getting close.I have never bred her but have considered adding her to my family as she is half mates to my current stud.Has anyone here had personal experience adding these type back to their family of black dogs.I do not want to be blinded by hybrid vigour.

So she is half sister to your main stud?

I do breedings like that with success.. but, I prefer them having the same sire and different dams if I'm doing half brother half sister breedings. 

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28 minutes ago, foxdropper said:

If the rest of your breeding is coming  right mate or there abouts you’d be a fool to incorporate an unknown and potentially get the dreaded kennel blindness from one mating .Take her for what she is an enjoy but unless you can trace a decent line that goes back to your root stock I’d not bother personally .Others will have different ideas no doubt .

My dad a retired jag man told me the same thing. I asked this question on y'all's side hoping for different opinion.😂

14 minutes ago, Jambalaya said:

So she is half sister to your main stud?

I do breedings like that with success.. but, I prefer them having the same sire and different dams if I'm doing half brother half sister breedings. 

All my terriers are from one stud.What I refer to as my family was from breeding stud to mother then best daughter to him took male from this and bred to his mother ECT ECT 

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19 minutes ago, foxdropper said:

If the rest of your breeding is coming  right mate or there abouts you’d be a fool to incorporate an unknown and potentially get the dreaded kennel blindness from one mating .Take her for what she is an enjoy but unless you can trace a decent line that goes back to your root stock I’d not bother personally .Others will have different ideas no doubt .

His other stuff can't be that right seeing as that is his best ever terrier and as every one has always said Breed best to best and sod what they look like, if i was him i'd be breeding off my best bitch rather than a lesser bitch no matter how smart or to type she was..

Just saying and take it how you want to..

 

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25 minutes ago, Rickshaw swami said:

My dad a retired jag man told me the same thing. I asked this question on y'all's side hoping for different opinion.😂

All my terriers are from one stud.What I refer to as my family was from breeding stud to mother then best daughter to him took male from this and bred to his mother ECT ECT 

You can only breed like that so long before they start coming defective from lack of new blood.. or if I'm reading what you posted correctly..

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I have bred my current stud to some other blacks.I have bitches from my foundation studs half brother to another line.I have my bases covered but will continue this inbreeding with a few.Its hard to keep them small enough as most Americans have already stated on here.

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48 minutes ago, fireman said:

His other stuff can't be that right seeing as that is his best ever terrier and as every one has always said Breed best to best and sod what they look like, if i was him i'd be breeding off my best bitch rather than a lesser bitch no matter how smart or to type she was..

Just saying and take it how you want to..

 

Good to hear from someone who has been there and done it .Respect mate .What line do you keep again ? 
Best dog or bitch means nothing if the breedings not there Stevo .

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